<div dir="ltr">Adam's wider point was not about police response to homicides or about the fact that Kenya is not equipped for terrorist attacks.  His point was that there's general poor management in government.  His point still stands regardless of your response. <br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:33 PM, James Mbugua <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br><div>Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4</div><div><br></div><div>Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5</div><div><br></div><div>Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.</div>

<div><br></div><div>With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to be done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society and hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).</div>

<div><br></div><div>We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like NYC learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is usually enough.<br>

</div><div><br></div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joe.njeru@zilojo.com" target="_blank">joe.njeru@zilojo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>

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    <font color="#000000">Hello Adam,<br>
      <br>
      I agree with you on all the points below. <br>
      <br>
      The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is
      diabolical. <br>
      <br>
      When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who
      had just littered the street with a paper - that if he did not
      pick it up he would report him to the police...<br>
      <br>
      At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt.
      Which I promptly claim as a business expense. <br>
      <br>
      That helps reduce the tax I pay  Ceaser each year.<br>
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    <div><font color="#000000">On 09/25/2013
        11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000">I drove by a dead body this
          morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and Grevillea Grove.
           He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some time.
           We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will
          come.  On Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy
          was killed by a truck and his body lay on the side of the
          street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of the busiest in town)
          before anybody official arrived at the scene.</font>
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        <div><font color="#000000">How can it be expected that the
            Nairobi police handle one of the most complex hostage crises
            of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead body on
            the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what
            it made me realize is that it's not an 'African thing' or a
            'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a disaster.  It's a
            total lack of excellence at every level of government.
             Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for
            the most part, it just comes down to better management.</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">I'm not one for recriminations and at
            a time like this am mostly just sad.  In the end, I'm an
            American and can't effect change here - it's up to
            Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand
            that the public safety system be reformed.</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call
            center</font></div>
        <div><font color="#000000">2. All police wearing ID numbers and
            equipped with a ticket book so they can write tickets</font></div>
        <div><font color="#000000">3. A new type of police with a
            different uniform that receive double pay but will be fired
            if found guilty of corruption</font></div>
        <div><font color="#000000">4. All police equipped with a mode of
            transportation (even just a mountain bike)</font></div>
        <div><font color="#000000">5. All police equipped with a radio</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">Is this too much to ask of a city
            that bills itself as the capital of anything?</font></div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">-Adam</font></div>
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            <div><font color="#000000">--</font></div>
            <div><font color="#000000">Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: <a href="http://kili.io" target="_blank">kili.io</a></font></div>
            <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Musings:<a href="https://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank"> twitter.com/varud</a></span></font></div>
            <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">About Adam: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson</a></span><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000">On Wed, Sep 25,
            2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmbuvi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                  <div style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><font color="#000000">A Standard article explains how
                      disorderly and dangerous the operation was,
                      Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered
                      the lives of hostages in a haphazard operation. <br>
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                      The familiar shoot to kill order was given out <a href="http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk" target="_blank">http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk</a><br>
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                      Sent from my Windows Phone</font></div>
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                  <font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:
                    </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robert yawe</a></span><br>
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                  <font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:
                    </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">25/09/2013
                      08:29</span><br>
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                  <font color="#000000"><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:
                    </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">Dennis
                        Kioko Mbuvi</a></span><br>
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                                                      <div><span> <font size="4">Something
                                                          wrong in Kenya
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          There can be
                                                          no denying the
                                                          extraordinary
                                                          challenges
                                                          facing the
                                                          Kenyan
                                                          government.
                                                          Yet as the
                                                          last
                                                          terrorists
                                                          were being
                                                          rooted out of
                                                          Nairobi’s
                                                          Westgate
                                                          shopping mall
                                                          at the end of
                                                          a slaughter
                                                          spree that has
                                                          killed some 70
                                                          people and
                                                          injured
                                                          hundreds more,
                                                          the Kenyan
                                                          authorities
                                                          need to be
                                                          asking
                                                          themselves
                                                          some hard
                                                          questions.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          This is a
                                                          country which
                                                          because it is
                                                          actively
                                                          involved in
                                                          combating
                                                          Al-Shabab
                                                          terrorists in
                                                          Somalia is
                                                          supposed to be
                                                          on the very
                                                          highest state
                                                          of alert.
                                                          Kenya did not
                                                          choose this
                                                          confrontation.
                                                          In 1998 it was
                                                          an amiably
                                                          corrupt and
                                                          easygoing
                                                          country with
                                                          merely a nasty
                                                          record of
                                                          armed
                                                          robberies,
                                                          mostly of rich
                                                          Western
                                                          tourists.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Then Al-Qaeda
                                                          launched one
                                                          of its very
                                                          first
                                                          international
                                                          attacks, a
                                                          deadly assault
                                                          on the US
                                                          embassy in the
                                                          Kenyan capital
                                                          which left 224
                                                          people dead
                                                          the great
                                                          majority of
                                                          them Kenyans.
                                                          Thereafter,
                                                          there was a
                                                          succession of
                                                          small attacks
                                                          by the
                                                          Al-Qaeda-linked
                                                          Al-Shabab
                                                          which
                                                          culminated in
                                                          raids on
                                                          Kenyan coastal
                                                          tourist
                                                          resorts and a
                                                          Somali refugee
                                                          camp,
                                                          targeting and
                                                          kidnapping
                                                          foreigners.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It was the
                                                          final straw.
                                                          Nairobi sent
                                                          troops into
                                                          Somali
                                                          striking
                                                          Al-Shabab
                                                          fighters in
                                                          the rear as
                                                          they were
                                                          pressed from
                                                          the north by
                                                          African Union
                                                          forces.
                                                          Thereafter,
                                                          the terrorists
                                                          resorted to
                                                          low-level
                                                          violence,
                                                          mostly hit and
                                                          run grenade
                                                          attacks across
                                                          the Somali
                                                          border, until
                                                          the attack by
                                                          some 15
                                                          heavily armed
                                                          men on the
                                                          supposedly
                                                          well-guarded
                                                          up-market
                                                          Westgate
                                                          shopping
                                                          center. The
                                                          attackers
                                                          managed to
                                                          negotiate
                                                          their way with
                                                          all their
                                                          weaponry
                                                          through the
                                                          capital’s
                                                          roadblocks.
                                                          They contrived
                                                          to organize
                                                          their deadly
                                                          assault
                                                          without the
                                                          Kenyan
                                                          intelligence
                                                          services
                                                          picking up the
                                                          slightest
                                                          inkling of
                                                          what was about
                                                          to happen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Something has
                                                          got to be
                                                          wrong
                                                          somewhere. And
                                                          the closer one
                                                          looks at the
                                                          way the tragic
                                                          events
                                                          unfolded, the
                                                          more difficult
                                                          questions it
                                                          seems that the
                                                          Kenyan
                                                          authorities
                                                          have to
                                                          answer. Why
                                                          for instance
                                                          did it take
                                                          almost half an
                                                          hour for the
                                                          first properly
                                                          armed and
                                                          equipped teams
                                                          to arrive at
                                                          the shopping
                                                          mall? Why was
                                                          there no
                                                          proper
                                                          building
                                                          evacuation
                                                          scheme nor any
                                                          obvious plan
                                                          to respond to
                                                          a terrorist
                                                          outrage within
                                                          the complex?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Acts of
                                                          bravery by
                                                          shopping
                                                          center staff,
                                                          individual
                                                          police
                                                          officers and
                                                          ordinary
                                                          members of the
                                                          public cannot
                                                          mask what
                                                          appears to
                                                          have been a
                                                          series of
                                                          bungles by all
                                                          those who
                                                          should have
                                                          been
                                                          responsible
                                                          for the safety
                                                          of the complex
                                                          and its
                                                          visitors.
                                                          Journalists
                                                          noted that
                                                          when
                                                          heavily-armed
                                                          special forces
                                                          arrived, some
                                                          seemed nervous
                                                          and confused,
                                                          perhaps as a
                                                          result of the
                                                          shouting that
                                                          could be heard
                                                          from senior
                                                          officers who
                                                          themselves
                                                          seemed poorly
                                                          briefed and
                                                          unprepared and
                                                          as a result
                                                          unsure of how
                                                          best to
                                                          proceed. The
                                                          inevitable
                                                          report into
                                                          this horrific
                                                          event may find
                                                          that by
                                                          delaying a
                                                          rapid and firm
                                                          response to
                                                          the attack,
                                                          the
                                                          authorities
                                                          permitted the
                                                          terrorists to
                                                          continue their
                                                          killing spree
                                                          and also
                                                          allowed them
                                                          to consolidate
                                                          their position
                                                          within the
                                                          mall.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Perhaps a clue
                                                          to what went
                                                          so
                                                          disastrously
                                                          wrong at the
                                                          Westgate mall
                                                          can be found
                                                          in the
                                                          devastating
                                                          fire at
                                                          Nairobi’s Jomo
                                                          Kenyatta
                                                          International
                                                          Airport last
                                                          month. Though
                                                          the blaze
                                                          broke out in
                                                          the early
                                                          morning,
                                                          meaning no one
                                                          was killed,
                                                          the extent of
                                                          the fire and
                                                          the
                                                          extraordinary
                                                          delays in
                                                          getting fire
                                                          appliances to
                                                          the scene
                                                          raised major
                                                          questions
                                                          about the
                                                          competence of
                                                          the Kenyan
                                                          authorities.
                                                          The Westgate
                                                          tragedy must
                                                          compound these
                                                          serious
                                                          concerns.</font></span></div>
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              <h1>Joe Murithi Njeru - Chief Executive Officer</h1>
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              Map: <a href="http://goo.gl/maps/9IVjt" target="_blank"><span style="color:#c77125">http://goo.gl/maps/9IVjt</span></a>
              <p><strong>Suite B21, Ground Floor, Block B,<br>
                  Silverpool Office Suites, Jabavu Lane, Hurlingham<br>
                  Nairobi, Kenya.</strong></p>
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