<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Thanks Dr. Ndemo for your response. I must clarify what my point in all this is.<br><br></div>1. It is my belief that Microsoft will not offer everything for free. They are here to make money, which is their inalienable right. So they will offer a few subsidies here and there but the bottom line, and as reported in the media, they stand to make billions out of this deal. As a tax payer, I hate to see my Government wasting money buying software for which they could have gotten better options at a fraction of the cost. Using open source alternatives like Edubuntu could have given us far much better value for every Shilling that we spend. If am the only one who sees it this way, then I must be mad or something. Any individual or corporate that has the money to spend is free to spend their money on whichever software that they want. But public money needs to be spent on whatever product that gives the best value.<br>
<br></div>2. The strategy for Microsoft as Dr. Ndemo clearly put it is to lock in the market. This way they might consider giving away a few freebies to make the deal look good. But we must remember that they do business for their own best interest, not ours. In the long term, they have a captive market of kids and future systems admins and developers who are beholden to their platform. The result is that they continue minting money out of our economy. What is our interest in this? Do we just stand by and say that there is nothing we can do? Most European and Asian countries have started to see the light here and they are busy developing their local software industries based on open source and open standards.<br>
<br></div>3. Are we doing anything as an open source community or we are just a talk shop? Yes we are. Camara Educational foundation where I am a director has done a great deal of work especially at the coast province enhancing education using technology. They give computers to schools and support them over the life time of the equipment. They also train the teachers on the technology in partnership with Intel under the IntelTeach programme. They have now moved upcountry and have a presence in Nairobi and Bungoma. The man thing is that their computers come loaded with Edubuntu, along with over 80 open source educational software and applications, not to mention the RACHEL Server. RACHEL (Remote Area Community Hotspots for Education and Learning) are
low-cost, scalable deployments of the best open-source software and
creative commons educational content available. World Possible curates
from leading educational resources such as The Khan Academy,
Wikiepedia, CK-12 and many more, making a digital library in a box
available in one easy to reference location. RACHEL software then
allows any computer to function as a server whereby all other computers
can access it's central repository in a internet-like environment.<br><br></div>4. Unfortunately, the President may not know that there is anything else in the world apart from Microsoft. But the people who should be advising him do. These are the people who look down on us and call us dreamers.<br>
<br></div>I look forward to the meeting at Strathmore where I will present my position paper on this.<br><br></div>Ikua<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM, James Mbugua <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br><br>I suppirt, PS Ndemo that we discuss the issues not sideshows.<br><br>Books - it will make no sense, to spend all this money on laptops, then have to buy text books. Let the Ministry/KIE develop standards for eBooks or eLearning in general to be used from Std 1 to 8. Ideally, with a similar curriculum, there us no reason why we shouldn't have standardized testing, like SAT/TOEFL for every term nationwide. So that ares lagging behind can be detected early and corrective measures taken.<br>
<br>Replacement - What happens when the kid loses their laptop? What is the replacement mechanism? Who eill supply replacements, at whose cost? Should we give new ones to each new class or instead have each class pass down their laptops to the next?<br>
<br>Regards<br><br>JG<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><br>On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Ikua,<br>><br>> I feel you and I am tempted to support your sentiments. But I think this issue runs deeper than whether we should use Proprietary (Microsoft) or Open source software for our pupils in standard 1. My take is we are in a situation where we may NOT have defined the learning objectives, the curriculum, the teaching/delivery/assessments etc. I wish I am wrong but I think we have NO EDUCATIONAL SPECIFICATION of what we want this kids to come out with after blowing 60Billiion Ksh on laptops. <br>
><br>> In the absence of this specification, you will get all types of vendors surrounding you and selling you all types of hardware, curricula, software, etc. And then the choice of whom you work with, will very much depend on which vendor can pull the heaviest punch - financially speaking.<br>
><br>> But all is not lost, we just need to define educational specification and then panel-beat all the vendors to do what we want, not what THEY want. And maybe that specification exists but is a cabinet secret - and so we shall continue fire-fighting in darkness.<br>
><br>> walu.<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Evans Ikua <<a href="mailto:ikua.evans@gmail.com" target="_blank">ikua.evans@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>; "<a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 8:54 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] President Kenyatta secures Microsoft support for computers<br>><br>> Dear Dr Ndemo,<br>> Now that you have outlined what MS will do, maybe you can share with us what is in it for them? I am sure they did not fly in their Global President for nothing. I suspect that they stand to gain immensely from this "partnership". The partners referred to must be their local distributors, or other Government agencies. They will win big and we will lose big time.<br>
><br>> It would be good to know how much the laptops will cost, and how much of that cost will go to software, or to MS for that matter. If they are offering a free OS, or a subsidised one for that matter, just remember the analogy of dope - the first dose is always free, its the subsequent one that you pay for!<br>
><br>> Dont even think about the fact that if we give proprietary solutions to our kids, we will be losing the opportunity to give them better options that are available in open source. But most sadly, we have just mortgaged our freedom and that of the future generations.<br>
><br>> Ikua<br>><br>><br>><br>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Bitange Ndemo <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Barrack,<br>> As I promised, Prof. Godia accepted to respond to your questions on<br>
> Kicktanet. You will need to fix e-mail, <a href="mailto:godiaes@yahoo.com" target="_blank">godiaes@yahoo.com</a> into the<br>> mailing list to make it easier to reply.<br>><br>> I attended the State House function and Microsoft agreed to do the following:<br>
><br>> 1. Work with different partners to Train ALL Primary School Teachers<br>> computers (more than 260,000) to enable them implement computer to schools<br>> programme by January. They are ready to start as soon as the Government<br>
> of Kenya gives the go-ahead to start the programme at County level;<br>> 2. Work with different partners to develop and train at least five<br>> enterprises in each County to provide technical support in Hardware,<br>
> Connectivity and Software to all schools within each County; and<br>> 3. Develop a research and innovation hub at Konza Technology Park to<br>> support software developers in the region.<br>> 4. Work with other Hardware manufacturers to develop a sustainable model<br>
> that includes local assembly of computers as well as local software and<br>> content development that can be replicated in other African countries<br>><br>> This will go a long way in realzing our President's commitment to<br>
> achieving his promises to the Kenyan people.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>><br>> Ndemo.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>> Walu,<br>>><br>>> I think its time we focused on other issues, seems this project is a<br>
>> foregone conclusion. We will take stock in 2017.<br>>><br>>> Best Regards<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>>> Whao!<br>>>><br>>>> When I grow up, I want to work for M$oft :-)<br>>>><br>>>> Sounds like they are concluding the deal to be on 1million laptops next<br>>>> year - as we are busy tweeting on what Software is relevant for pupils<br>
>>> in<br>>>> Standard one. Read on<br>>>> @<br>>>> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Uhuru-secures-Microsoft-support-for-computers/-/1056/1871904/-/7i517tz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Uhuru-secures-Microsoft-support-for-computers/-/1056/1871904/-/7i517tz/-/index.html</a><br>
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