<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the update. I've been told that much of the Kenyan government geo-data is owned by private corporations and licensed back to the government because of poorly written contracts and corruption. Is that the case?<div>
<br></div><div>In this instance, what will be the licensing scheme of the underlying data?</div><div><br></div><div style>Is there a website describing the project and it's progress?</div><div style><br></div><div style>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Bitange Ndemo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We set up the National Addressing Taskforce sometime last year in<br>
partnership with Google. We have already covered the CBD as a pilot and<br>
the launch date is coming up anytime. Further the Ministry has been<br>
working with lands to get funding for the the National Cadasta (the basis<br>
of national geo-referencing). Treasury accepted to fund the project. You<br>
will begin to see some of the outcomes from early next year. Several<br>
sectors are looking forward to this important development.<br>
<br>
If you read Hernando de Soto's Mistry of Capital, you will understand why<br>
this infrastructure is important. But we also must change the culture to<br>
use mordern referencing methods. Several estates such as Buru Buru,<br>
Langata, Runda etc in Nairobi have street addresses but no one uses them.<br>
Rarely do we even make reference to street names even when they are<br>
clearly marked.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
> Thanks Adam. Exactly my point. mydoorhandle seems a novice idea and may<br>
> just provide a solution, to an extent, of Nairobi's woes.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> My Door Handle is attempting to address this very problem:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://mydoorhandle.com/" target="_blank">http://mydoorhandle.com/</a><br>
>><br>
>> However, Andy brings up an important point. The fact that one can get<br>
>> pizza from Naked Pizza or Hashmi or Chowpaty (excellent vegetarian<br>
>> Indian<br>
>> food btw) actually betrays the problem. These are local businesses with<br>
>> local knowledge.<br>
>><br>
>> The purpose of a standard addressing system is to allow anybody to find<br>
>> a<br>
>> residential or commercial location in order to service them quickly and<br>
>> without requiring deep local expertise. It's not just boda boda drivers<br>
>> who need to know how to find places, software developers writing<br>
>> delivery<br>
>> routines in Germany need to know, and American scientists doing water<br>
>> distribution projects need to know, and Indian cell tower planners need<br>
>> to<br>
>> know.<br>
>><br>
>> The answer to the question, "does the lack of a physical addressing<br>
>> system<br>
>> stifle the potential in Nairobi?" is a qualified "yes". Companies will<br>
>> find a way around the problem, and they'll keep on doing it so the<br>
>> potential of Nairobi isn't completely stifled.<br>
>><br>
>> Nonetheless, this is one of the problems that simply has to be solved<br>
>> and<br>
>> the only question is 'when', not 'if'. I personally think it's<br>
>> incumbent<br>
>> on government leaders to be tackling all of the 'when' problems now<br>
>> because<br>
>> every year that they wait is simply another year of lower efficiency<br>
>> that<br>
>> could have been used to "promote the general Welfare".<br>
>><br>
>> -Adam<br>
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>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Ask the people who deliver things?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Naked Pizza and Hashmi have stored my address with my phone number -<br>
>>> and<br>
>>> yes, it contains my formal street address plus the details on how to<br>
>>> find<br>
>>> it. When I place an order, they reconfirm that I'm still at the same<br>
>>> address. Plus their delivery person usually has my phone number with<br>
>>> him<br>
>>> just in case he gets lost (yay for technology - and pizza, obvs).<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think it's a bit more tedious the first time you order when you have<br>
>>> to<br>
>>> give detailed directions - but if a company is smart and saves those,<br>
>>> then<br>
>>> that cuts down on processing time with each additional order.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 20 May 2013 12:49, Andy G <<a href="mailto:andy.gesora@gmail.com">andy.gesora@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> So Nairobi is the most advanced city in East and Central Africa....<br>
>>>> So<br>
>>>> JP Morgan has just been granted a licence to setup a rep office in<br>
>>>> Nairobi.... So most of the iNGO's and corporates have set up in<br>
>>>> Nairobi....<br>
>>>> So Nairobi is the pioneer in alternative payment systems aka mPesa....<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But does the lack of a physical addressing system stifle the potential<br>
>>>> in Nairobi? CCN previously tried address most buildings in town, but<br>
>>>> no<br>
>>>> one ever quotes the "22 Kimathi Street" when corresponding.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A majority of tech startups in Kenya today are web based, with mobile<br>
>>>> technology (payment systems) providing an overwhelming support system.<br>
>>>> A<br>
>>>> friend once quoted as saying 95% of his online payments were on mobile<br>
>>>> money. We have lots of tech companies that have tried building<br>
>>>> solutions to<br>
>>>> make it easier for Nairobi's consumers.... from ordering food online,<br>
>>>> to<br>
>>>> shopping, to casual labour, to ticketing... name it. But the achilles<br>
>>>> heel<br>
>>>> always remains addressing. Where do i as a tech startup owner send<br>
>>>> your<br>
>>>> goods to in Buruburu once you have bought? Or if i have a party and<br>
>>>> order<br>
>>>> for drinks online, how does someone deliver in some flats named "Pearl<br>
>>>> apartments" deep in langata on a nodescript dirt road?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Would perhaps naming of streets and physical addressing help solve<br>
>>>> lots<br>
>>>> of issues in Nairobi as well as create many mid level startups and<br>
>>>> thus<br>
>>>> jobs that we are so desperately seeking?<br>
>>>><br>
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