<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks guys. That's the crux of the matter really. </div><div><br></div><div>So victor, as a lawyer what's your take? When the law is silent? For example jumia.co.ke just opened for business in Kenya. Do they remit taxes including VAT to KRA? How are they structured? Are they a registered Kenyan Company? or are they domiciled in Mauritius for tax purposes? </div><div><br></div><div>ICT Researcher, usually innovation moves ahead of regulation (the case of Mpesa is a good example of that) but eventually regulation catches up. My opinion is that this should balance the computing interests of Government, free enterprise and consumer protection which in my opinion are not aligned most of the time.</div><div><br></div><div>As an African ICT Hub should we also be leading the way in finding/crafting the best regulator environment or should we let nature to take its course? <br><br><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</span></div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On May 10, 2013, at 3:50 AM, Victor Kapiyo <<a href="mailto:vkapiyo@gmail.com">vkapiyo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Well, we still have our good ol VAT Act which applies to goods and services - without distinction as to the means through which the transaction has occurred, which in a sense means we have online sales covered. <div>
<br></div><div>Then there is the question of loss of taxes especially for those transactions involving income "made in Kenya" by companies i.e. the eBays, Apples, Googles, based outside Kenya operating online and transacting "in Kenya" - do they pay VAT, or income tax (where applicable)?</div>
<div><br></div><div style="">Victor</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Victor Kapiyo, LL.B</span></div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" color="#666666"><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2013 20:46, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Ali,<br>In my humble opinion,the priority legislation required now is mainly on matters regarding the fact that goods are being bought without face-to-face contact between buyer and seller and issues may arise on quality of goods,not fit for purpose,return of goods,refund of payment etc.You will notice that these are largely consumer protection matters in relation to what some countries call "Distance Selling".<br>
Just some thoughts.<div>Sent from my BlackBerry®</div><hr><div class="hm HOEnZb"><div><b>From: </b> Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Is an online sales tax good for eCommerce? What are the regulatory environments for eCommerce in Africa?</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div>Ngethe</div><div><br></div><div>
Good point. The legislation though is either non-existent or unclear. Or am I mistaken? <br><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</span></div>
<div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 713 601113</div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On May 9, 2013, at 9:11 PM, <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Ali,listers,</span><br><span>If volume is small,which I think it is at the moment in our country,there is little merit in taxing at this early stage.It is better to let it flourish and introduce tax later when much revenue may be realised.</span><br>
<span></span><br><span>John Kariuki</span><br><span>Sent from my BlackBerry®</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>></span><br>
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