Walu, I hear you, and am also dissapointed re the technological failures. <br><br>However, I was an accredited election observer, thanks to assistance from three or more people on this list. :-) <br><br>I agree that electronic transmission can reduce tampering. However, the vote tallying process I saw at both the polling station level and at the constiuency level was very difficult to rig, in my opinion. This is because political party agents had to sign off on the count at both the polling station level and at the constituency level. <br>
<br>Victor Bwire? what did you see. <br><br>Thanks, Rigia<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">@Rigia, + Mark,<br><br>For the Kenyan case, apart from PR, the electronic transmission system also had the additional, if not main role of solving the perennial problem of misreporting the tallied votes. Basically, in the old days, a Constituency would have say 50 Polling Stations from where votes have been counted and counter signed by agents. <br>
<br>However, Returning officers were notorious for misreporting this polling station values when they converged at the Constituency tallying center(main towns). So the fix was that if the counted and verified tally at the root Polling station has ALREADY been provisionally and electronically transmitted at SOURCE to both the constituency and national level using the 3G network, then the temptation to tamper with these figures when manual paper work (form 34/36)
is submitted is highly reduced. One would really need to have a good reason why what the values transmitted electronically significantly differs with what is received manually.<br><br>Ofcourse the electronically transmission system failed and has triggered wild speculations about integrity. IEBC will have to look for a way to prove that despite this failure all went well - but perhaps the burden of proof is on the other side. For them to show that indeed things did not go well :-)<br>
<br>walu.<br> <br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr">
<font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Warigia Bowman <<a href="mailto:warigia@gmail.com" target="_blank">warigia@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>
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<div>Complete agreement with Mark. Please see <br><br><a href="http://www.ljean.com/files/ABPractices.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ljean.com/files/ABPractices.pdf</a><br><br><div> L. Jean Camp, Allan Friedman, & Warigia Bowman. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282" target="_blank">"Electronic Voting</a></div>
<blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1065226.1065282" target="_blank">Best Practices" Summary and Report of the Voting, Vote Capture & Vote Counting Symposium</a>, June 2-4, 2004 (Cambridge, MA).</blockquote>
<br><br><div>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Mark Mwangi <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwangy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">The way I understand the electronic system is that it was only meant to be a public facing results platform that would give a general feel of the winners and loosers before the official figures were declared. <div>
<br></div><div>The failure of the system thus does not affect the integrity of the elections but only the PR skills of IEBC. The official results are still on form 16a i presume. </div><div><br></div></div><div>
<br><br><div><div><div>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Erik Hersman <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:erik@zungu.com" target="_blank">erik@zungu.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Valid question Edith. The short answer is that only the people in Bomas can answer that question. I'm looking forward to when they talk about it as well.<div><div><br><div>
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<br><br>Erik,<br><br>Key question, were these companies working in sync or providing services independently without a lead ensurin tgat everything works.<br><br>The demo seems to have failed as per article circulated by Muthoni, why were these not addresed as the same problems were experienced during the`live show`. <br>
<br>Hard to understand.<br><br>Why not use one integrated system?<br><br><br><br>____________________________________<br>From: kictanet [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] on behalf of Erik Hersman [<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:erik@zungu.com" target="_blank">erik@zungu.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:52 AM<br>To: Edith Adera<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Has the ICT Sector Failed?<br><br>Agreed with Evans here.<br><br>Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: <a href="http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/</a><br>
<br> * Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards »<br> * App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES »<br> * Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN »<br> * Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) »<br>
* Google hosted website at <a href="http://vote.iebc.or.ke" target="_blank">http://vote.iebc.or.ke</a> »<br> * Google hosted API at <a href="http://api.iebc.or.ke" target="_blank">http://api.iebc.or.ke</a><br><br>
You'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies.<br>
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<br>Edith, I beg to differ. Its not ICT that has failed here. Its the processes. Just throwing some expensive servers and plenty of bandwidth at a problem will not solve it. The top leadership has to fully understand their organization's ICT strategy. They have to internalize the opportunities that technology brings to the table, as well as the inherent risks that come with it. This cannot be left to techies, however good they may be. The reason being that if the organization that you lead fails (and the reason was technology), its you who is answerable, not the techies. This is the spirit of IT Governance.<br>
<br>It would be interesting to know if the IEBC commissioners fully understand the risks of the technologies that they are relying on.<br>Let us not blame the technology.<br><br>Evans<br><br>On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Edith Adera <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.ca</a><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca" target="_blank">mailto:eadera@idrc.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
Listers,<br><br>It is a shame that for the first time in Kenya's history when IT is given a chance to bring credibility and efficiency in the electoral process, ICT has failed SPECTACULARLY!<br><br>what went wrong?<br>
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