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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I thought it was rather unkind making the candidates
stand for a good 3 hours surely. Martha Karua noticeably struggled on her heels
at the end of the first session.Maybe in the next debate they need to look
into this. Julie and Linus were comfortably sitting down
throughout!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I also look forward to a more engaging style. Flesh out
more! But a good start notheless!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Gilda Odera</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=eadera@idrc.ca href="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca">Edith Adera</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=godera@skyweb.co.ke
href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">godera@skyweb.co.ke</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:52
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">George,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What would you
use to hold them to account? Their empty words?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">You will be
surprised to learn that the women’s movement, civil society movement and the
masses brought Senegal’s current President into power amidst the greatest
odds…trying to unseat a POWERFUL incumbent that H.E. Wade was. But they did
it. One of the things the movement did was to get the President to physically
sign publicly a pledge (manifesto) of what he will do. To-date that’s what is
used to hold him accountable and remind him of what he promised ad signed to
deliver for the people of Senegal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Why can’t Kenyans
hold their leaders to account in equal measure?....and what else would you use
to do so other than what they have promised in ”indelible ink”?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">It’s when people
like you make them think they can get away with empty words is when they do
not give what they pledge the seriousness it deserves.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">We need to break
away from our old mindsets.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Edith<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US> George
Nyabuga [mailto:george@afrinic.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> February 13, 2013 10:39
AM<BR><B>To:</B> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; Edith
Adera<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet]
#KEDebate13<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates.
However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of
answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I
eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!),
but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they
grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not
hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social
problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good
start.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are
merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account
if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no
intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical
because there is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to
implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They
are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these,
and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate.
Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand
the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Dr
George Nyabuga
Tel: +230 403 51 00<BR>Head, Communications
and PR, AFRINIC Fax:
+230 466 67 58<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><A
href="mailto:george@afrinic.net">george@afrinic.net</A> - <A
href="http://www.afrinic.net/">www.afrinic.net</A><BR> <BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Please
join us at the Africa Internet Summit, Lusaka, Zambia, 9 – 21 June
2013<BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <<A
href="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca">eadera@idrc.ca</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>I
recall a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read
the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their
concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other
considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting
prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my
disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the
others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the
"digital world"?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please
share on the list</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Edith</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-<A
href="mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><SPAN
style="COLOR: purple">bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke</SPAN></A>]
On Behalf Of Harry Delano<BR>Sent: February 13, 2013 9:20 AM<BR>To: Edith
Adera<BR>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<BR>Subject: Re: [kictanet]
#KEDebate13</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>Alice
Best,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>I was
lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in
question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and
cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could
sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current
and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the well articulated positions
had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing
Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit
a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy
fee..? Just me..</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>Harry</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>Alice
Munyua <<A href="mailto:alice@apc.org"><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none">alice@apc.org</SPAN></A>>
wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>>Kudos to the media for organising our first ever presidential
debate.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt" lang=EN-US>>It
was an important milestone. Very interesting, dealt with
real</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>>issues and was also quite entertaining.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>>Best</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"
lang=EN-US>>Alice</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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lang=EN-US>> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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