<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I also join the rest in acknowledging the the Media houses as well as the moderators for pulling off the Presidential debate. Even though most of the candidates were lying with a straight face given that their manifestos are the same ones they played out in 2002, 2007 and now 2013...none of which was ever implemented (other than free primary education) <br><br>Either way, the show still had a +ve effect by demonstrating that indeed the political elite belong to the same (Rich) class and have no beef with each other - but they are shrewd enough to play the citizens tribal card against each other on their way up the political ladder. For me this was the most critical outcome of the debate - the demonstration to the public/wananchi that indeed Kenya has only two tribes, the tribe of the Rich and that of the
Poor. That the life of the poor man in Nyeri and the one in Kisumu will likely remain the same - irrespective of whom we put in State house...hence and therefore there is really no need dying for any Politicians cause.<br><br>Going forward, I think the next debate should focus purely on the Vision2030 pillars: The Economic, Social and Political Pillars. How would the candidates move Kenya forward on these issues - subject to the current constraints of corruption, tribalism, unemployment, insecurity, etc. But perhaps even more importantly, how does the candidate intend to restore the original Kenyan value system of honesty, hard-work and selfless rather than selfish public service. <br><br>Korea, Malaysia, Singapore and other Asian tigers did not flourish because of good visions and manifestos (every country and party have these). What made the difference is their cultural value system that breaths life (or in our case death) into those
Visions and manifestos.<br><br>walu.<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> George Nyabuga <george@afrinic.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> jwalu@yahoo.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:39 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv1395019887"><base><div><div>I was equally delighted to listen to the candidates. However, I should say I was disappointed more because of the quality of answers. I might have missed a bit of it as i struggled to watch it online (I eventually decided to listen instead, thanks to live streaming by Capital!), but the guys were not articulate enough and struggled to convince me that they grasp the issues affecting Kenyans. Beyond the mere demagoguery, I did not hear concrete answers on how they would deal with education, health and social problems. Perhaps I was expecting too much. But this was definitely a good start.</div><div><br></div><div>Just tongue-in-cheek. Do we need manifestos when they are merely 'pieces of paper'? How do we hold the guys and the parties to account if they fail to deliver? They merely use manifestos as campaign tools, with no intention of fulfilling whatever they have on those papers. I am being cynical because there
is no way the 'bigger' boys (to use Raila's words) are going to implement policies of land (distribution), (absolutely) free education. They are merely pulling wool over our eyes and we should be more critical of these, and perhaps use them to determine the way we vote and of course their fate. Unfortunately, many of us do not have the capacity to digest and understand the manifestos. Very unfortunate indeed.</div><div><br></div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Feb 13, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Edith Adera <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca" target="_blank" href="mailto:eadera@idrc.ca">eadera@idrc.ca</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv1395019887Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;" lang="EN-CA"><div class="yiv1395019887WordSection1" style=""><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Indeed, Kudos to the media for a job well done.</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">I recall
a tweet from Ndemo that morning suggesting that all Kenyans should read the manifestos before the debate so we judge candidates based on their concrete plans and their responses to questions rather than other considerations (e.g. tribal persuasions). I thought this was an interesting prompting and went out in search of the manifestos online....to my disappointment, I only found 2 manifestos...CORD and JUBILEE!!!. None of the others exist online, unless I missed them. Are the other parties embracing the "digital world"?</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color:red;" lang="EN-US">If anyone has electronic copies of the other 6 manifestos, please share on the list</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Listers, What should be different in Debate No 2?</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Edith</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Message-----<br>From: kictanet [mailto:kictanet-<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;">bounces+eadera=idrc.ca@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On Behalf Of Harry Delano<br>Sent: February
13, 2013 9:20 AM<br>To: Edith Adera<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] #KEDebate13</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Alice Best,</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">I was lurking in the shadows until I took note that the landmark debate in question has not been given 'kipao mbele' here. If I could raise 'hue and cry', that ICT wasn't given the due mileage in that debate, then we could sensitize candidates before the next one that, this is a driver of the current and future economy. Meanwhile, just noticed all the
well articulated positions had little or non to borrow from the debate we had a while back here quizzing Dr. Ndemo as a 'future' candidate. If you ask me, the aspirants would benefit a lot from his insights that he widely shared here. Maybe at a consultancy fee..? Just me..</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Harry</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">Alice Munyua <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:alice@apc.org" target="_blank"
href="mailto:alice@apc.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;">alice@apc.org</span></a>> wrote:</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">>Kudos to the media for organising our first ever presidential debate.</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">>It was an important milestone. Very interesting, dealt with real</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">>issues and was also quite entertaining.</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-US">>
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