Very unfortunate indeed, Stephen has now resulted to a war with me off list. <div><br></div><div>See below and judge for yourself what COFEK is most likely to be about. <div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM, stephen Mutoro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:smutoro@yahoo.com" target="_blank">smutoro@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Thanks Dorcas,</span></div>
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<span>I wasn't too sure I ought to reply to you further. But after seeing the post below, I decided I should as follows;</span></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
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may wish to over-stretch your argument in the manner you want and for reasons best known to yourself. As far as we are concerned, we have no apologies for calling yours a "hear-say".</span> From your initial email - you simply attended "several presentations" where it was mentioned, that is it! You thereafter have no idea in what way, proportions, by whom and from which part of the country the dangerous offense that has potential to bring down a whole industry is concerned. Perhaps you over-rated us that you equally failed to report the issue first to the milk regulator - KDB. Unfortunately you decided this is the only basis you can judge our competence. While I wouldn't cast aspersions on you, the way you did on Cofek, I can simply say this - if you have no confidence in us, we respect your right to your debatable opinion. <br>
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Allow us our opinion too - that like Meshack Emakunat puts it (in a more diplomatic way), Cofek and I will not act on alarmist hear-says which only condemn without solutions. We are not about grabbing newspaper headlines with unproven allegations. The list of such allegations are countless i.e that butchers use the same formalin to preserve unsold meat. All that could be true. But unless they are proven by competent authorities, they will remain sensational non-sense. What a consumer body does as we are already doing - is not to suggest to consumers what is recommended. Why? If you condemned company x making brand y milk, that company x will simply switch to brand z which would be the same as what would have been condemned!</div>
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Finally, if you don't mind, subscribe to the "Consumer Pride" mailing list, coming soon, when will announce a joint Consumer Dialogue Forum with the Kenya Dairy Board on milk safety. You can, if still interested attend and put your question straight to your real target. Thanks again,</div>
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Regards,</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Stephen <br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> meshack emakunat <<a href="mailto:memakunat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">memakunat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:20 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top"><div>Am sure most food scientist present in the list will find it amusing that milk processors are adding formalin in milk for the purposes of preservation.considering all the approved milk preservasion process like packaging homoniginazation and pasturrization process that milk processors invest in. Such accusation can damage a whole industry and its dependents(farmers employees and other beneficiaries. I only wish that you clarify which milk processors considering that there are many dozens of milk processors from licenced to local unlicensed. Example we have kcc, brookside,sameer and on the other hand distribution from farmer to consumer(direct to consumer) without the value addition process which are more likely to be the culprits ( maziwa ya ngombe) unlike. (Maziwa ya packet) processed milk <br>
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<td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Dear Stephen,<div><br></div><div>I feel sorry about your reply below to me. </div><div><br></div><div>To be very honest with you, a lot of Kenyan consumers would respect you (person and COFEK at large) more if you focused on dealing with such issues and not passing the buck to consumers who send you alerts.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I am actually very amazed that you refer to my consumer alert as a "hear-say". </div><div><br></div><div>Stephen, i really do wish COFEK the best. I am afraid, if you not have a credible consumer protection strategy, COFEK may indirectly/directly lead to consumer sabotage. </div>
<div><br></div><div>NB: I have never communicated with COFEK on Facebook but only on email and addressed to yourself.</div><div><br></div><div>Muthoni</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:48 PM, stephen Mutoro <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">smutoro@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">I am sure we did reply to you. My office says that there was a reply and especially on our Facebook page. Sorry if we didn't. But I am sure you will appreciate that we can only do as much as our capacity can allow considering we have no own laboratory; we are not funded by the taxpayer and that we cannot act on hear-says. I wish you appreciated that this was immediately on our website and lots of sensitization achieved <a href="http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1124:milk-with-formalin-as-additives-anyone-to-help-muthoni&catid=1:latest-news" target="_blank">http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1124:milk-with-formalin-as-additives-anyone-to-help-muthoni&catid=1:latest-news</a> Finally, such issues are continuous as we held a Consumer Dialogue Forum on food additive at InterContinental on September 12 and that issue was in my remarks. The Chief
Public Health Officer Dr Ombacho discounted the fears and pledged
investigations. Hope it suffices. Regards<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"><div> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Dorcas Muthoni <<a rel="nofollow">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>><br> </div>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow">smutoro@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 5, 2013 3:42 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] COFEK: Formalin in Milk<br> </font> </div><div><div> <br>
<div>I know milk has nothing to do with ICT but i shared this concern with COFEK and they ignored it. Which consumers or issues do COFEK prefer to deal with? Just asking for those saying they act for the public......<div>
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<div><i>See more below..<br></i><div><br></div><div><b>Summary</b>:</div><div>=======================================================================================================</div><div>Dear Stephen,<div><br></div>
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I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.</font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Can COFEK try and investigate this. </font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer. </font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Muthoni</font></div><div style="margin:0px;font-size:12px"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
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<div><br></div></div><br><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Dorcas Muthoni</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM<br>Subject: Re: Formalin in Milk<br>To: <a rel="nofollow">hotline@cofek.co.ke</a><br>Cc: jack juma <<a rel="nofollow">jack@cofek.co.ke</a>>, Theresia Watowa <<a rel="nofollow">theresia@cofek.co.ke</a>><br>
<br><br>Sorry, what else do you want to know? This last line is not clear.<div><div><br><br><div>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">hotline@cofek.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div>Ok but can we know who you please<div><div>Sent from my BlackBerry®</div><hr><div><b>From: </b> Dorcas Muthoni <<a rel="nofollow">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>>
</div></div><div><b>Date: </b>Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:39:53 +0300</div><div><b>To: </b><<a rel="nofollow">hotline@cofek.co.ke</a>></div><div><b>Cc: </b>jack juma<<a rel="nofollow">jack@cofek.co.ke</a>>; Theresia Watowa<<a rel="nofollow">theresia@cofek.co.ke</a>></div>
<div><div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: Formalin in Milk</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen,</div><div><br></div>I don't have evidence but Kenya Accreditation Service (KENAS) and KEBS should be able to provide accountability because the milk producers are all showing the KEBS logo for quality.<div>
<br></div><div>I am a layman in this, just very concerned about because presentations are coming from health and nutrition experts talking about this.</div><div><br></div><div>Please try and see what you can do for the consumer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Many thanks,</div><div>Muthoni<br><br><div>On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Consumers Federation of Kenya (Cofek) <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">hotline@cofek.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u><div>It is being acted upon although you never provided any facts and supporting evidence<div>Sent from my BlackBerry®</div>
<hr><div><b>From: </b> Dorcas Muthoni <<a rel="nofollow">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>>
</div><div><b>Date: </b>Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:27:10 +0300</div><div><b>To: </b><<a rel="nofollow">hotline@cofek.co.ke</a>></div><div><b>Cc: </b><<a rel="nofollow">stephen@cofek.co.ke</a>></div>
<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: Formalin in Milk</div><div><div><div><br></div>Dear Stephen,<div><br></div><div>I thought COFEK would acknowledge receipt if this email and say whether is an area you will look into or not.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Muthoni<br><br><div>
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Stephen,
<div><br></div><div>I have attended several presentations that have indicated that many milk processing companies in Kenya are using formalin to preserve milk sold to consumers.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Formalin is a chemical normally used to preserve dead bodies. Formalin has many negative impacts on human health. If it becomes part of food, it turns into formic acid in human body and increases acidity level. More intake of formalin can cause breathing problems, coma and even death.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">US Environment Protection Agency and International Agency for Research on Cancer count formalin as one of the cancer-causing agents.</font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman">
<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Can COFEK try and investigate this. </font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">With so many deaths being reported from cancer and every urban dweller entirely dependent on milk from the shops right from early childhood, we are very exposed if this is actually true.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Stephen, please advice if you shall investigate this further and protect the consumer. </font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I am sure you are also consuming these products every day.</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Regards,</font></div>
<div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;font:12.0px Times New Roman"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Muthoni</font></div></div>
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