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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          EN-GB">Dear Barrack and all<br>
          <br>
          I agree with you on the multistakeholder issue. There seems to
          be different
          interpretations /understanding of multi-stakeholder policy
          processes.<br>
          <br>
          A question that was consistently raised before WCIT by
          stakeholders involved in
          the process<br>
          -“to what extend was stakeholder proposals and contributions
          taken into
          consideration when determining what position/proposals Kenya
          would support? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          EN-GB">The assumption was that Kenya's position would be
          developed after
          national multistakeholder consultations. And they were several
          as you mention
          below, the Kenya IGF, the East African IGF (day two was
          dedicated to
          discussing the ITRs), and the Kenya stakeholder consultations
          organised by CCK.
          These consultations developed and produced several viewpoints,
          and the expectation
          was that these views would have been taken into account when
          developing
          the national position or "agreeing" on what proposals Kenya
          was to
          support.<br>
          <br>
          This clearly did not happen. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          EN-GB">It is therefore important to continue discussions on
          what multistakeholder
          consultations mean and how we interpret constitutional
          provision article 10,
          which states " </span><span
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          mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;color:#2A2A2A" lang="EN-US">(1)
          the national values and
          principles of governance in this </span><span
          style="font-size:
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          MS";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
          color:#2A2A2A" lang="EN-US">Article binds all State organs,
          State officers, public officers
          and all persons whenever any of them–– (a) Applies or
          interprets this
          Constitution;  (b) Enacts, applies or interprets any law; or
          (c) Makes or
          implements public policy decisions. (2) The national values
          and principles of
          governance include–– (a) Patriotism, national unity, sharing
          and devolution of
          power, </span><span
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          Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">the rule of
          law, democracy and participation of the people"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          New Roman";
          mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><br>
          In addition to discussing and getting clarity on
          multistakeholder policy
          processes, I support Dr. Ndemo's call for further national
          consultations to
          discuss some of the new provisions that have altered the
          nature of the ITRs. Some
          of these include the unprecedented expansion of Human Rights
          language in
          the preamble of the treaty, which is inconsistent with
          international human
          rights standards and precedents particularly with the shift
          from individual
          human rights to collective state rights. Are the ITRs a good
          place for creation
          of what appears to be new human rights? National consultations
          may consider
          this question and also consult with our relevant legal/human
          rights experts to
          determine if this expansion of human rights is appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        </span><span
          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">By
the
          way it is very normal for countries to sign treaties after a
          round of consultations
          at the national level. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          Best<br>
          Alice</span><span
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      type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">Joly,

The WCIT issue was extensively discussed during the Kenya IGF which
brought together a number of stakeholders, Dr. Ndemo was present,
during the ATU meeting in Ghana a position other than what was
discussed during the stakeholders meeting was arrived at which the PS
did not agree with a position supported by stakeholders, CCK hosted
another stakeholder meeting before the WCIT meeting in Dubai, the
point is it appears stakeholders input during the Kenya and East
African IGF did not count a position the PS seems to side with as
suggested by the article, in any case ITU and ATU participated in the
Kenya IGF and East African IGF i think it would have been better for
CCK to come out clearly that it had its own position, IMHO this is a
mockery of the Multistakeholder Model, i stand to be corrected though.
Nonetheless post Dubai, this is water under the bridge :-(

Best Regards

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Joly MacFie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joly@punkcast.com"><joly@punkcast.com></a> wrote:
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I'm a little confused. You are suggesting CCK=stakeholder, and
Ndemo=technocrat, right? SUrely he is representing the wider stakeholders?

j


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Barrack Otieno <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com"><otieno.barrack@gmail.com></a>
wrote:
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          <pre wrap="">
Interesting piece i thought the constitution bestows powers on
stakeholders, seems like technocrats have more say :-(

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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc">http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc</a>
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