<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Alice and all</div><div><br></div><div>This discussion has refused to go away (and rightly so) because some fundamental issues have still not been addressed.</div><div><br></div><div>I do hope that the relevant agency will take the opportunity to see the red flags raised and ensure that the process which should have been followed (read Multi-stakeholder consultations) to the latter are taken to their fruitful end.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards </div><div><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">"The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 28, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alice Munyua <<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB">Dear Barrack and all<br>
<br>
I agree with you on the multistakeholder issue. There seems to
be different
interpretations /understanding of multi-stakeholder policy
processes.<br>
<br>
A question that was consistently raised before WCIT by
stakeholders involved in
the process<br>
-“to what extend was stakeholder proposals and contributions
taken into
consideration when determining what position/proposals Kenya
would support? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB">The assumption was that Kenya's position would be
developed after
national multistakeholder consultations. And they were several
as you mention
below, the Kenya IGF, the East African IGF (day two was
dedicated to
discussing the ITRs), and the Kenya stakeholder consultations
organised by CCK.
These consultations developed and produced several viewpoints,
and the expectation
was that these views would have been taken into account when
developing
the national position or "agreeing" on what proposals Kenya
was to
support.<br>
<br>
This clearly did not happen. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB">It is therefore important to continue discussions on
what multistakeholder
consultations mean and how we interpret constitutional
provision article 10,
which states " </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
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the national values and
principles of governance in this </span><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
MS";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Tahoma;
color:#2A2A2A" lang="EN-US">Article binds all State organs,
State officers, public officers
and all persons whenever any of them–– (a) Applies or
interprets this
Constitution; (b) Enacts, applies or interprets any law; or
(c) Makes or
implements public policy decisions. (2) The national values
and principles of
governance include–– (a) Patriotism, national unity, sharing
and devolution of
power, </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">the rule of
law, democracy and participation of the people"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><br>
In addition to discussing and getting clarity on
multistakeholder policy
processes, I support Dr. Ndemo's call for further national
consultations to
discuss some of the new provisions that have altered the
nature of the ITRs. Some
of these include the unprecedented expansion of Human Rights
language in
the preamble of the treaty, which is inconsistent with
international human
rights standards and precedents particularly with the shift
from individual
human rights to collective state rights. Are the ITRs a good
place for creation
of what appears to be new human rights? National consultations
may consider
this question and also consult with our relevant legal/human
rights experts to
determine if this expansion of human rights is appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Roman";mso-ansi-language:
EN-GB"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">By
the
way it is very normal for countries to sign treaties after a
round of consultations
at the national level. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Best<br>
Alice</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-bidi-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre wrap="">Joly,
The WCIT issue was extensively discussed during the Kenya IGF which
brought together a number of stakeholders, Dr. Ndemo was present,
during the ATU meeting in Ghana a position other than what was
discussed during the stakeholders meeting was arrived at which the PS
did not agree with a position supported by stakeholders, CCK hosted
another stakeholder meeting before the WCIT meeting in Dubai, the
point is it appears stakeholders input during the Kenya and East
African IGF did not count a position the PS seems to side with as
suggested by the article, in any case ITU and ATU participated in the
Kenya IGF and East African IGF i think it would have been better for
CCK to come out clearly that it had its own position, IMHO this is a
mockery of the Multistakeholder Model, i stand to be corrected though.
Nonetheless post Dubai, this is water under the bridge :-(
Best Regards
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<pre wrap="">I'm a little confused. You are suggesting CCK=stakeholder, and
Ndemo=technocrat, right? SUrely he is representing the wider stakeholders?
j
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<pre wrap="">Interesting piece i thought the constitution bestows powers on
stakeholders, seems like technocrats have more say :-(
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