<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Walu</div><div><br></div><div>Well put. Much as the CCK is well placed to lead these (as is their mandate) there's a feeling among certain 'non-state' players that the integration with other players isn't going far enough.</div><div><br></div><div>For example it is now embedded in the constitution that certain information is no longer 'state secrets' and that certain government agencies are finding it hard to come to terms with this new dispensation.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards <br><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">I would want to agree with Brian as well. In that Ministry of Info and CCK do have extensive experience in dealing with ITU matters and we can only bank on them to steer the current negotiations on the ITRs in the best interest of the country. That said, I would also want to echo Alice concerns and add that perhaps this being the first time the Kenyan delegation has incorporated "non-state" actors in their delegation, it would have been nice to think through how their additional views could be effectively taken on board or otherwise. <br><br>In other words assuming that Kenyan position is aligned to the African Position - as reported at the preliminary meeting in Ghana - then to what extend have additional views arising from the last Stakeholders meeting in Nairobi been incorporated? And if those
views were not taken on board, what was the rationale behind such a decision?<br><br>I know Wambua said the Kenyan Delegation had an internal meeting in Dubai last evening and perhaps these issues were tackled and it could have been nice to have some feedback. I think we all want the best for Kenya but have a different understanding on how to go about it. We simply need to take time to understand each others perspectives and we will likely get the best for the country/region in this ITU meeting.<br><br>walu.<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:kandie@cck.go.ke">kandie@cck.go.ke</a>; <a href="mailto:cpa@cck.go.ke">cpa@cck.go.ke</a>; "<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:52 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] CAUTION ON HARDLINE POSITIONS<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1233997884">Dear Matano, Obam, Wambua, Omo et al,<div><br></div><div>I for one, have confidence in the representation that the CCK-led Kenya delegation provides us with. I believe that your long experience in matters at the ITU level as well as with the consensus building and negotiation processes that take place therein will be of great benefit to us, not only as a nation but also as stakeholders in the internet industry.</div>
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<blockquote class="yiv1233997884gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Listers</span><br><br clear="all"><font face="georgia,serif">I want to echo Alice & Grace here. I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING A CONSENSUS THAT WE SUPPORT THE AfCPs!<br>
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see attached the report on the meeting of the 13th November. Bwana
Obam I think you need to withdraw that statement as it is
unrepresentative of the discourse on that day.<br>
<br>I am worried and I'm wondering what those of us who are going to
Dubai will be contributing to when the Kenya Delegation is clearly not
in agreement of what should be our National Position.<br></font><div style="text-align:center;"><br></div>
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<br><br><div class="yiv1233997884gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Grace Githaiga <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1233997884gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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Obam<div><span style="font-size:10pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:10pt;">Thanks Obam and welcome to the list. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:10pt;"><br></span></div><div>A few quick points:</div>
<div><br></div><div>1. I do not remember stakeholders agreeing that Kenya was going to support the AfCP during the meeting that took place on November 13th at Laico. And if that was the agreement, then what was the use of having the stakeholders consultation? </div>
<div><br></div><div>2. Could we have a clarity on stakeholder participation in relation to development of national positions?</div><div><br></div><div>3. Does it mean then that no position has changed and that Kenya is still going with the AfCP as was shared before the stakeholder meeting?</div>
<div><br></div><div>4. And yes there is inclusion in the Kenya Delegation though people have to source for their own funding. However, there is no clarity on their engagement. </div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards</div>
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Grace</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><br><div><div></div><hr><div>Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:02:26 -0800<br></div>From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:daniel_obam@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:daniel_obam@yahoo.com">daniel_obam@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] CAUTION ON HARDLINE POSITIONS<div><br>CC: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Kandie@cck.go.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:Kandie@cck.go.ke">Kandie@cck.go.ke</a>; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br><br></div><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;"><div><span>Ndaro,</span></div><div>
<span>This is my first ever contribution on KICTANET since it started about 7 years ago.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>I wish to quote for you the final paragraph of the article by the Economist "Governments squabble over new rules for the internet" (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.economist.com/news/21567340-governments-squabble-over-new-rules-internet%29">http://www.economist.com/news/21567340-governments-squabble-over-new-rules-internet) </a> which was also posted earlier on the list:</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>"<i>Fears of an anti-Western putsch in Dubai, handing control of the internet to authoritarian governments, are overblown. Though in theory the ITU works by majority vote, in practice agreements are almost always reached by consensus.
Moreover, the ITU has no power to foist rules on governments that refuse to bargain. A bigger danger is therefore deadlock. That might encourage a large pack of nations to set up their own internet regime, making communication with the rest of the world more costly and more complicated</i>".</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Perhaps all along it has never really been about national (and public) interest, security and ideals. Maybe it is all about commerce. </span><span>So as a country THE choice is really ours.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>NB: Our official position as indicated before, during and after the stakeholder meeting is support of the African Common Proposals(AFCPs) with the output of the stakeholder meeting assisting us in negotiating our final position during the conference. And I believe all those who spoke during the stakeholders meeting have been included in
the Kenyan Government official delegation to WCIT and I believe some are already in Dubai right now.</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div><span>Just thought I remind ourselves on what we discussed and agreed during the stakeholders meeting at the LAICO Hotel some 3 weeks back.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Kind regards</span></div><div><span></span> </div><div>Daniel Obam </div><div><font face="Arial"><div style="padding:0px;min-height:0px;line-height:0;font-size:0px;"></div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Matano Ndaro <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mtnndaro@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:mtnndaro@yahoo.co.uk">mtnndaro@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:daniel_obam@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:daniel_obam@yahoo.com">daniel_obam@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "Kandie, K Juma" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Kandie@cck.go.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:Kandie@cck.go.ke">Kandie@cck.go.ke</a>>; Consumer and Public Affairs
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 1, 2012 3:36 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] CAUTION ON HARDLINE POSITIONS<br> </font></div><div style="font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;">
<br><div><div><div><div>Dear All,</div><div><br></div><div>The WTSA, which sets the work program for the Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) ended on 29th November, paving way for the WCIT. The Plenipotentiary Conference 2010 instructed the ITU Secretary General to organize the conference, to capture the tremendous changes and transformation that have taken place in the ICT sector. The last conference was held in Melbourne, Australia, in
1988.</div><div><br></div><div>Consequently, the ITU Council set up a working group to spearhead the process. The ITU-T Director has been the one organizing the process since the bulk of the substantive issues of the conference are related to standardization. Certainly, the outcome of the conference will be a product of a negotiated settlement, based on a lot of give and take. The most controversial subjects revolve around the role of governments in the purview of the Internet. Transparency, security,international accounting </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.</span><br><span></span><br><span>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span></div></blockquote></body></html>