agreed phares<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Phares Kariuki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com" target="_blank">pkariuki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<font color="#000066"><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Another thing is to raise the salaries of unskilled staff. Benevolent self interest. This will allow them to have some form of dignity and raise children who can participate in the skilled labour market. This is something we can all do, effectively helping alleviate poverty, one step at a time. </font></font><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Warigia Bowman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:warigia@gmail.com" target="_blank">warigia@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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I disagree, the changes must start from the grassroots. Kenyans must start speaking out against inequality. Like the greenbelt movement. A good place to start is bringing salaries of national officials in line. <br><div>
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Mark Mwangi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwangy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Unfortunately I don't think such changes can start from the grassroots. <div>A leader willing to take the flack and protect his bureaucracy as they do their jobs. When we allocate responsibility to everyone, we allocate it it to no-one. </div>
<div>A decisive person that is willing to deal with security, economic and policy issues with a clear plan with the interest of the citizens as a priority.</div><div>It must start from the top. </div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:22 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif">Hi Warigia,<br><br>Yes you are the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers are paid this much and I am not being derogatory, African politics is about poverty and subjugation which is why, except for Peter Kenneth, very few politicians who tried to uplift the standard of living of their constituents makes it back for a second term. <br>
<br>As you may be aware 5 years is not enough to show a marked change in a society and because of our agrarian thinking based on the cycle of the maize crop and at times sukuma wiki we tend to expect instant results once a new MP has been elected which is not feasible. This will be better brought to the fore with the devolution where societies that have been relying on government handouts will realise that moving from a net consumer to a net producer takes more than 5
years, which is the reason I will not stand for governor (I have resolved myself to buying a degree from an online university, maybe even a PhD) during this trial phase. <br><br>So as the electorate we prefer to get the 50/- dished out during the campaign period than hope for a more permanent solution from the MP, in exchange the MP spends Kes. 100 Million during the campaign and spends the next 5 years trying to recover from the hole this dug into their pockets by regularly increasing their remuneration to keep ahead of inflation. Our MPs have increased their pay from a paltry 7,500/- 30 years ago to the current levels all because we, the electorate, have kept raising campaign costs by demanding larger and larger pesa pap.<br>
<br>Which explains why there are rarely any dissenting voices in parliament as they propose to increase their salaries every other week, as all wear the same shoe and they all know where it bites. <br><br>Look around
at many of our former MP's they are a shadow of their former selves, more so those who believed that they where there to serve the electorate, the ones who used their time in parliament enriching themselves are at times better off.<br>
<br>Please ask the same question to someone whose parent has been involved in politics, they will tell you that the amount paid is too little to make up for the emotionally and financially damage to the children and spouses.<br>
<br>The system is broken, how do we fix it?<br><br>Regards<div><br><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div>
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<div>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B254722511225" value="+254722511225" target="_blank">+254722511225</a>, <a href="tel:%2B254202010696" value="+254202010696" target="_blank">+254202010696</a><br><div> </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div> </div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Warigia Bowman <<a href="mailto:warigia@gmail.com" target="_blank">warigia@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 25 November 2012, 20:39<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Who will buy this Sh1.8m TV?<br> </font> </div></div><div><div>
<br><div>I think that it is actually a crime that our ministers and MPs get paid this much. <br><br>According to the World Bank, Kenya is a low income country, and 45.9 percent of the country lives in poverty, and the GNI per capita is $820 dollars. <br>
<br>That means that this TV is worth almost 20 times (TWENTY TIMES) than the average annual pay of the average Mwananchi. <br><br>People, am I the only one who thinks it is shocking that our Ministers get paid 20 times more than the national average pay for a YEAR in one month? <br>
<br>Warigia<br><br><div>On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:20 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div><span>Samsung on Friday launched a 84" LED 3D monitor worth Kes. 1.8 M which is equivalent to a Ministers 1 month pay and a MP's 2 months pay.</span></div>
<div></div><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div><div>Tel: <a rel="nofollow">+254722511225</a>, <a rel="nofollow">+254202010696</a><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> luke mulunda <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:lmulunda@yahoo.com" target="_blank">lmulunda@yahoo.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 22 November 2012, 12:51<br>
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guys,<br>Sharp just launched an 80-inch LED TV in Kenya and the prize is tagged at Sh1 million ( see link <a rel="nofollow" href="http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh1-million-tv-0" target="_blank">http://businesstoday.co.ke/news/2012/11/22/sharp-returns-kenya-crazy-deal-sh1-million-tv-0</a> ) Just who's going to buy this monster?<br>
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