<html><body><div style="color:; background-color:; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px">Wambua,<br><br>Thanax again. I have some further submission, you may wish to digest and respond on tomorrow. Mostly based on the fact that these ITU Regulations have expanded the scope of Telecommunications to included "ICTs" (read Internet). My coments are therefore based on the perspective of these proposed regulations as they would apply to the Internet Market Sector.<br><br>regards,<br>walu.<br>*****************comments in RED----, Proposed Changes in Italics as below------.<br>
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</font></font><font face="ABCDEE+Calibri, sans-serif"><font size="3">4.3A
Members States shall ensure transparency of end-user prices and the
provision of clear information on how to access the services and the
prices thereof, in particular to avoid unreasonable or surprising
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one very interesting. But international internet interconnection charges are
currently private commercial arrangements and will be interesting to
see how this private contracts would now be open to Regulatory
scrutiny. Either way, Internet International Interconnection charges
have dropped significantly and not sure how Regulatory access to the
same would have any impact i.e. reduce them further..</b></span></font></font></span></font></div>
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Member States shall promote cost oriented wholesale pricing.</span></i></font></font></font></div>
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says cost oriented wholesale pricing is the best option -
particularly within the Internet Markets? And what evidence do we
have that wholesale pricing would reduce prices at retail level?
Would be happy to review such evidence.</span></b></font></font></font></div>
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Member States shall take measures to ensure that fair compensation is
received for carried traffic (e.g. interconnection or termination).</span></i></font></font></font></div>
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understand this one. But it looks borrowed from the Telephone world
where Incoming calls from say Europe into Kenya would result in
Telkom Kenya pocketing some good revenue. Unfortunately this model
does not work on the Internet simply because an Internet Call (skype)
from Europe would NOT travel in a single straight line from Europe to
Kenya. It may take multiple paths and so makes such a charging
mechanism difficult to apportion accross these multiple paths. </b></font></font></span></font>
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Member States shall ensure that their regulatory frameworks drive the
Operating Agencies to establish mutual commercial agreements with
providers of international communication applications and services in
alignment with principles of fair competition, innovation, adequate
quality of service and security.</span></i></font></font></font></div>
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this? I thought this is the natural and typical objective and
practice of Operating Agencies (Telcos/ISPs) in a free market
economy . Why would we want to put it in law or under ITU
recommendations? There could be a benefit but it is not immediately
clear.</span></b></font></font></font></div>
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The Member States shall take measures to ensure that Operating
Agencies have the right to charge providers of international
communication applications and services appropriate access charges
based on the agreed quality of service.</span></font></font></font></div>
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could be the contentious one. Where Infrastructure guys aim to have
additional pay from Content guys based on the traffic volume
generated say by Google, Akamai, NationMedia, etc. Not sure its a
good thing since Content Providers in the West/North are likely to
block traffic(read access) from African users - given that we would
cause them traffic increase that is not "profitable" enough
to enable them (Google) make the additional payments as demanded by
their upstream infrastructure/Telco provider.</span></b></font></font></font></div>
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For each applicable service in a given relation, Operating
Agenciesadministrations* shall by mutual agreement, on the basis of
cost orientation, establish and revise accounting, transit and
termination rates to be applied between them, in accordancevwith the
provisions of Appendix 1 and taking into account relevant CCITT ITU-T
Recommendations and relevant cost trends.</font></span></font></font></font></div>
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This is already happening btwn Internet Gateway Providers - why would
we want to put it under ITU-T recommendations/framework?Again could
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ensure that rates (in particular transit rates, termination rates,
and roaming rates) are cost-oriented.</font></span></font></font></font></div>
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we saying that these rates for internet interconnection are currently
NOT cost-oriented? Any evidence to support this? Even if they are not
Cost-oriented, is there evidence that cost-oriented approach is the
best approach (for Internet Interconnection Rates?) Currently this
regime is under a free market economy and just not sure Regulatory
intervention is necessarily going to give us the expected positive
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<br><div><span></span></div><div> <br> <div>----- Original Message -----<br> From: "wambua@cck.go.ke" <wambua@cck.go.ke><br> To: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com><br> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:51 PM<br> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12<br> <br>Thanks Walu for confirming your participation. <br><br>Your query is noted and shall be responded to tomorrow<br><br><br>Sent from my BlackBerry®<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:37:14 <br>To: Wambua, Christopher<<a ymailto="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke" href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>><br>Reply-To: Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Stakeholders meeting on WCIT-12<br><br><br>Wambua, I appreciate the CCK invite and plan to attend. <br><br>Just going through the African Proposal and now looking at proposal 3.4A below:<br><br>>>>3.4A<br> Member States shall ensure that the legal and regulatory frameworks and<br> instruments applicable in their territories shall mandate Operating <br>Agencies which operate in their territory and provide international <br>telecommunications services offered to the public to apply the ITU-T <br>Resolutions and Recommendations relating to naming, numbering, <br>addressing and identification. Member States shall ensure that these <br>resources are used only by the assignees and only for the purposes for <br>which they were assigned; and that unassigned resources are not
used.<br><br>>>><br><br>Put in plain language, it looks like ISPs/Content Providers/Domain Name <br>Registrars amongst others must adopt ITU-T resolutions with respect to <br>their daily operations. Just wondering what are these ITU-T resolutions, where and when are they made up and perhaps more importantly who makes <br>them up. Is it possible to have draft ITU-T resolutions surrounding this specific article?<br>walu.<br><br><br>________________________________<br> From: "Wambua, Christopher" <<a ymailto="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke" href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a> <br>Cc: IT <<a ymailto="mailto:IT@cck.go.ke" href="mailto:IT@cck.go.ke">IT@cck.go.ke</a>>; Consumer and Public Affairs <<a ymailto="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke" href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>>; World Conference on International Telecommunications
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