<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Omo</div><div><br></div><div>I did respond to your posting which seems to have bounced...See email thread below.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 5, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "Omo, John" <<a href="mailto:Omo@cck.go.ke">Omo@cck.go.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><title>Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?</title>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">Thanks Nd Kivuva. </font><font size="2" face="Arial">Somehow, I didn't receive Nd Ali's response to mine which you seem to have responded to and for which I thank you. </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">CCK had posted the AfCPs inviting views in order to prepare for the Ghana meeting and also the meeting in Dubai. We indicated that we subscribed to the same, having contributed to their development. There was also a request that we study Proposals from other Regions. Further, there was a promise then, and still is, that CCK would convene a meeting of Stakeholders before the meeting in Dubai. Giving or taking credit for pushing Government on its views on ITRs is inappropriate when the initiative was itself from Government/CCK.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">To date, much of what I hear is not on substantive input, either on the AfCPs or Proposals from other Regions, but clamour for a Stakeholders' meeting or posting such as "thanks for a promise of a breakfast meeting" or 'pushing Gov't on its views'! We are a growing to be a society more comfortable attending workshops/breakfast meetings rather than the actual 'on the table work.' </font><font size="2" face="Arial">Let me reiterate that the rubber will meet the road, not in the fact that CCK has organised a Stake holder's workshop, but in a delegation that has prepared its docs, read the meeting docs/docs from other Regions and prepared to present reasoned arguments. </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">Even as we hail the promise of a breakfast meeting or giving credit for pushing Gov't, please let us read the postings and offer substantive comments. It would help if the local Secretariat can prepare documentation for the workshop/breakfast meeting based on views presented apriori. As mentioned earlier, the official report of Ghana is out and should be posted either today or tomorrow.</font></div>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> kictanet on behalf of Kivuva<br><b>Sent:</b> Sun 11/4/2012 18:42<br><b>To:</b> Omo, John<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?<br></font><br></div>
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<p><font size="2">Thank you Ali for pushing for a government position on ITRs. When<br>there is silence it means that<br>1. The government is playing their position like a secret card that<br>should not be shown in public.<br>2. We don't have a position.<br>3. We don't understand what is being discussed.<br><br>Thanks Dr. Ndemo for the hint of a breakfast meeting to clear the air.<br><br>Regards<br><br>On 04/11/2012, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>> Ndugu Omo<br>><br>> Thanks for your note. I had actually refrained from posting any comments<br>> because of the Ghana meeting. In retrospect may be I should have<br>> irrespective of the Ghana meeting.<br>><br>> I must say that this kind of discourse is definitely helpful and goes a long<br>> way in calming the waters.<br>><br>> I look forward to the stakeholders meeting in the 13th Nov.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>> Ali Hussein<br>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd<br>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd<br>><br>> +254 773/713 601113<br>><br>> Sent from my iPad<br>><br>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 9:06 AM, "Omo, John" <<a href="mailto:Omo@cck.go.ke">Omo@cck.go.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Noted and thanks Nd Ali.<br>>><br>>> We had posted a draft of the African Common Proposals (AfCPs) amending the<br>>> ITRs. The AfCPs were the culmination of two preparatory meetings by<br>>> Stakeholders held in Cairo and Durban. Our request was that Kenyan<br>>> Stakeholders study and forward comments on the same to assist in our<br>>> preparations for the preparatory meeting held in Ghana and also for a<br>>> Kenyan Stakeholders meeting before the Dubai meeting. I remember getting<br>>> indications that you'd study the same and revert with your comments. We<br>>> are still waiting.<br>>><br>>> The way this works is this: in order to have better use of time at<br>>> Conferences, stakeholders are encouraged develop proposals common to their<br>>> regions. Of course Member States, being sovereign, can submit their<br>>> individual proposals separate from and even in opposition to their Regions<br>>> (See a number of US proposals or common to both the US and Canada, that<br>>> are different from those of CITEL to which both countries are a member).<br>>> But it is better that views that are similar to a region or<br>>> inter-region/s are submitted and discussed as common proposals. That<br>>> hastens consensus building and saves on time at the Conference. We had<br>>> indicated that our views as a country was pretty much a long the proposed<br>>> AfCPs to which we have contributed.<br>>><br>>> The official outcome of the Ghana meeting is now out and has some<br>>> improvements to the Durban draft. We are uploading the same early this<br>>> week, again with a request to Stakeholders submit substantive comments<br>>> that would aid in either endorsing/not endorsing the same. The proposals<br>>> will still be debated strenuously at the Conference which will take<br>>> decisions largely by way of consensus. Please, please let us study the<br>>> draft proposals including those from other Regions - that is where the<br>>> rubber will meet the road in Dubai. Tentatively, we plan to have a local<br>>> stakeholders meeting on the 13th Nov.<br>>><br>>> With kind rgds.<br>>> OMO, John<br>>> Commission Secretary<br>>> Communications Commission of Kenya<br>>> P.O. Box 14448 Nairobi 00800<br>>> Tel: +254 20 4242285/6<br>>> Cell: +254722523348<br>>><br>>> "I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear" -<br>>> Martin Luther King Jr.<br>>><br>>> From: kictanet on behalf of Ali Hussein<br>>> Sent: Sat 11/3/2012 09:17<br>>> To: Omo, John<br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who controls the internet?<br>>><br>>> Chip<br>>><br>>> Thanks for the clarifications and updates.<br>>><br>>> Listers<br>>><br>>> I hate to bring this issue up again but should the utter and complete<br>>> silence from the CCK on our country position raise red flags?<br>>><br>>> Bwana DG Wangusi with all due respect to your good offices can we have<br>>> some sort of statement on this issue? I believe it is critically important<br>>> that we do know and I honestly believe that whatever that position is<br>>> (whether it emanates from the IGF deliberations or not) it should now be<br>>> made public. We are less than two months away from WCIT Dubai.<br>>><br>>> Regards<br>>><br>>> Ali Hussein<br>>> CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd<br>>> Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd<br>>><br>>> +254 773/713 601113<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>><br>>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 3:07 AM, "Chip Sharp (chsharp)" <<a href="mailto:chsharp@cisco.com">chsharp@cisco.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> I'm sorry I'm late to this conversation, but I wanted to point out a few<br>>>> things.<br>>>><br>>>> The only proposals for revision of the ITRs that will be considered at<br>>>> the WCIT are from Member States or Regional groups (e.g., ATU, CEPT).<br>>>><br>>>> This means there are no ITU proposals to the WCIT. So where the article<br>>>> says "ITU proposal" it should say "country or regional proposal".<br>>>><br>>>> It also means there is no ETNO proposal to the WCIT. The text ETNO have<br>>>> proposed must be submitted by a country or region or it won't be<br>>>> considered.<br>>>><br>>>> The proposals that have been made public are not officially to be<br>>>> considered at WCIT. The countries or regions must submit their proposals<br>>>> (again) directly to the WCIT. These country proposals to the WCIT can be<br>>>> different from what has been made public. After reviewing the current<br>>>> submissions to WCIT I can say that some are different from what the same<br>>>> country or region proposed in the public document. A few of the<br>>>> differences are important. So ITU would need to make TD-1 and its<br>>>> revisions public to keep people informed as to the actual proposals into<br>>>> WCIT.<br>>>><br>>>> ATU proposals are not yet available on the ITU website.<br>>>><br>>>> Chip<br>>>> **Disclaimer: these are my opinions and not those of Cisco or the US<br>>>> del.***<br>>>><br>>>> On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:49 AM, "George Nyabuga" <<a href="mailto:george@afrinic.net">george@afrinic.net</a>><br>>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> An interesting article in The Guardian, quoting, among others, our own<br>>>>> Alice Munyua. But what the listers make of it?<br>>>>><br>>>>> See article at:<br>>>>> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=twt_gu">http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/oct/17/who-rules-internet?CMP=twt_gu</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> George<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Dr George Nyabuga Tel:<br>>>>> +230 403 51 00<br>>>>> Head, Communications and PR, AFRINIC Fax: +230 466 67 58<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:george@afrinic.net">george@afrinic.net</a> - <a href="http://www.afrinic.net">www.afrinic.net</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>>> Join us at AFRINIC-17 for our Public Policy Meeting in Khartoum, Sudan,<br>>>>> on 24 – 29 November 2012<br>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> kictanet mailing list<br>>>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>>>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/chsharp%40cisco.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/chsharp%40cisco.com</a><br>>>>><br>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>>>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>>>>> regulation. 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