Hello All,<div><br></div><div>Privacy and national security are a grey area in my opinion because the issues are heavily subject to interpretation and context.</div><div><br></div><div>I however have reservations to having an opaque body sifting through my communication and life in general. </div>
<div><br></div><div>If a system similar to the one in place in Estonia was put in place then I would have no problem. I understand there all information on a citizen from ID, health records,police records,phone no, internet,utility, tax records etc are centralized and every citizen has access to their information and is notified of anyone requesting any specific information.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So if the police are investigating you, you know about it immediately same for rogue agencies or operatives in the government accessing your information for illegal use. That level of transparency makes it difficult or impossible to plan anything in secret as a citizen and fellows like the MRC would be apprehended in no time since the money-trail would be dirt simple to follow. </div>
<div> </div><div>But with the system set as it is with a totalitarian government that is a law unto itself threatening citizens against rattling snakes then this is not a good thing for the country whether short or long term.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Grace Githaiga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<pre style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Thanks Kivuva, Barrack, Alex, Gideon and Ali for such a vibrant debate on this topic.
Please feel free to still debate if you have more concerns. And other Listers are encouraged to contribute.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial">
<br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Points gleaned from the debate:</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Kivuva suggests that there is need to safeguard personal freedom and space even as the
safety of the nation is important.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:Cambria,serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">Barrack </span><span style="line-height:12.75pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif;color:rgb(42,42,42)">notes that leadership and freedom come with responsibility</span><span style="line-height:12.75pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif">! Further, he recommends</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif">that the Police Inspector General (not in office yet) collaborates with
stakeholders to ensure cyber security of the citizenry is guaranteed whilst
respecting </span><span style="font-family:Cambria,serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">privacy, </span><span style="font-family:Cambria,serif;font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">and for CCK to conduct a survey on issue of surveillance.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Gideon supports the development of the means to curtail any irresponsibility online at an early stage.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Alex raises the costs monitoring of hate speech would impose on cybercafés, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">which would then be transferred to the consumers. This would be a barrier to access and cybercafés </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">would be forced to either increasetheir prices, or simply stop operating because of the costs. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Important to note is that crime and hate speech are a big problem, that cannot be solved without
a vast array of negative consequences by requiring intermediaries to act as policeman.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">The idea of having online community policing was expressed. However an online
community comprises a community of multiple and overlapping communities. These
communities are a lot less tight knit and it is hard to identify whether one is a member </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">of a community or not. Given the multiple layers of anonymity inherent
on the internet afforded to all: offenders, infringers, policers and vigilantes
any attempt at community policing online is fraught with many problems.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background-repeat:initial initial">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Ali noted that the principles of privacy and freedom of
expression cuts both ways, and cautioned that t</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif">he Internet is not a unique place where
people can get away with things that they probably wouldn't in the 'real'
world.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Cambria,serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Barrack, unfortunately the
CJ is not on the list but we would welcome him here.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a"><br>
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">Rgds</span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#2a2a2a">GG <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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