
<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Important differentiation Alex. And I concede that impersonation within those parameters isn't necessarily harmful. What I mean here is the impersonation that has a deliberate harmful skew to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards <br><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</div></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 18, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>+ 1 Alex, i think the law looks at facts if it was commited for the</span><br><span>wrong reasons then it ought to be punished.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best Regards</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Alex Comninos <<a href="mailto:alex.comninos@gmail.com">alex.comninos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Impersonation is not illegal in certain contexts both online and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>offline. For example one can impersonate someone for art like in a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>play or for parody and satire. Additionally one can also (badly)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>impersonate someone at a dress up party for instance. Whether the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>impersonation actually leads people to believe that the person is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>really the object of impersonation would of course have a bearing on</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the law. Thus certain types of online impersonation - for obvious</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>parody for example should not be illegal online.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Impersonation for parody or political commentary is an age old and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>legal tradition. However in many instances politicians do not take</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>kindly to it. Impersonation under certain circumstances online should</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>also be protected.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We must take care that policing online impersonation does not have</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>adverse side effects such on freedom of speech, and lead to a policing</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>of parody.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The case of India could be an important case to look at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article3821584.ece">http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article3821584.ece</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alex Comninos</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 18 October 2012 00:39, Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Good morning Listers</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yesterday we had a stimulating debate on prosecuting hate speech online. Ali</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hussein pointed out that what is wrong offline is also wrong online and gave</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the example of impersonation.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today, we want to focus our attention on online imposters.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>We have had cases of imposters creating facebook and twitter accounts of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>known personalities for example of the former government spokesperson Alfred</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Mutua, Comedian Churchill aka Mwalimu King’gang’ and several politicians.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The police have also been impersonated on twitter.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In such a case, where is the place of ethics and personal values especially</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>when impersonating other people online? Is there a provision of personal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>values in our constitution or in any or our legislation that can provide</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>guidance on how to handle online imposters? How should such matters be dealt</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Lets hear it from you. This is the second last day to contribute as we will</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>be winding up this debate tomorrow.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Have a wonderful day.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rgds</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Grace</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: <a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 16:38:00 +0300</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] Prosecution of online hate speech</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>CC: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alex and all</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I always find that the simple rules of every day life if also followed on</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the Internet invariably works albeit with tweaks here and there. What is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrong offline is also wrong online. Impersonation whether off or online is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>still wrong. The principles of privacy and freedom of expression cuts both</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ways.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think sometimes we make it too complicated by thinking that the Internet</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is a unique place where people can get away with things that they probably</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wouldn't in the 'real' world. Once we accept that the Internet is just</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>another medium which accelerates interaction and blurs community boundaries</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and accept that the basic tenets of good and bad still remain the same</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>despite the hyper-connectivity enablement we will be the better for it.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Regards</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ali Hussein</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+254 773/713 601113</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>tions.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unsubscribe or change your options at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.comninos%40gmail.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.comninos%40gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Barrack O. Otieno</span><br><span>+254721325277</span><br><span>+254-20-2498789</span><br><span>Skype: barrack.otieno</span><br><span><a href="http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/">http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.</span><br><span></span><br><span>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>