GG,<br><br>We just need to look at the US electrol campaigns you can see how people with loose tongues are getting into trouble, last week we had a similar issue with a local politician and the citizenry at one point blamed the Intermediary (Nation Media Group) for airing such inflamatory response, i think there was no need for Nation to justify its actions as it did on TV they did the right thing , the NCIC should send folks to court quickly quickly, leadership and freedom come with responsibility, enforcement is another way of educating the masses. I advocate for freedom with responsibility.<br>
<br><br>Best Regards<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Grace Githaiga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3">Thanks Ali, Barrack and Jaco. The message is clear: the education system as
well as intermediaries have a role in educating users of their responsibility
online.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3"> </font></p>
<h2 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3">Listers, please feel free to
continue the debate under the thread of <span style="font-weight:normal">Hate
text messages/KICA Section 29</span><span style="font-weight:normal">.<u></u><u></u></span></font></h2>
<h2 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-weight:normal"><font face="Garamond" size="3"> </font></span></h2>
<h2 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:18.0pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond"><font size="3"><span style="font-weight:normal">Today, we focus our attention to prosecution
of online hate speech. </span>The </font><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">NCIC has threatened to prosecute online hate speech</span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">as political campaigns intensify ahead of the 2013 March general
elections.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt">The Chair of NCIS was quoted in
yesterday’s Daily Nation as saying that his Commission is working with cyber
cafes to monitor hate speech.</span></font></h2>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3"><b> </b></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3">There seems to be uncertainty on what offences may happen on
communication networks and whether intermediaries would be liable or not. Such
intermediaries as Safaricom have come up with rules that will be applied for
political advertising on its network; while Nation Media has NMG blog rules (see
<a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/meta/-/1194/1132038/-/88lbspz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/meta/-/1194/1132038/-/88lbspz/-/index.html</a>). NMG is cautious in particular after being sued
for comments made by a reader on its blog on a story about Uhuru Kenyatta.<u></u><u></u></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3"> </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3">Is it advisable for these intermediaries to take caution or encourage
self regulation or what should they do? </font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><font face="Garamond" size="3"><br></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white">
<font face="Garamond" size="3">How successful do you think the NCIC will be in prosecuting online hate speech? </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"><font face="Garamond"><br></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white">
<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"><font face="Garamond">Over to you Listers.</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"><font face="Garamond">Rgds</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:12.75pt"><font face="Garamond">GG</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2a2a2a"> </span></p><br><div><div></div><hr>Subject: RE: [kictanet] Hate text messages/KICA Section 29<br>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:20:46 +0200<br>From: <a href="mailto:j.dutoit@unesco.org" target="_blank">j.dutoit@unesco.org</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>; <a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a><br>
<br><div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Grace,</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">The education system definitely has a role to play in media and information literacy, but I would argue that it is also in the interest of the intermediaries to get involved in such education initiatives.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Best regards</span><
/p></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Jaco</span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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</div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> kictanet [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bj.dutoit" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+j.dutoit</a>=une
<a href="mailto:sco.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">sco.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grace Githaiga<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 October, 2012 3:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Du Toit, Jaco<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>; <a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Hate text messages/KICA Section 29</span></p></div></div><p> </p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Thanks Barrack, Jaco and Kariuki for your views.</span></p>
<div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Jaco, we note your point on the need for users to take responsibility on what they post and the need for information and media literacy for users. Barrack is of the same opinion that there is need for an education of users on their
responsibility online. If I may ask both of you, who would be responsible for conducting this sort of education?</span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Kariuki, you make a very good point about what may have informed the introduction section 29 of KICA namely the facsimile. Considering that technology has evolved and the internet is no longer in infancy, what would you recommend for this section?</span></p>
</div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Listers, lets here more input from you. </span></p>
</div><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Rgds</span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Grace</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:47:13 +0300<br>From: <a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Hate text messages/KICA Section 29<br>CC: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>; <a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a><br>
To: <a>ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br><br>GG,<br><br>Intermediaries are liable to a certain extent, when a computer broadcasts spam, its IP address is blacklisted and users might not be able to use it to send mail until corrective measures are taken. I beleive this is meant to ensure that the Intermediary is responsible for the content emanating from the network? if this is the case, why shouldn't the government which has a responsibility over the safety and security of every citizen not take the intermediary to court to produce the the real culprit? Imagine what would have happened in the the recent case when a child was kidnapped from a City Church if the Intermediary had not been of assistance to the state agencies, now that the populace understands the value of the Internet we should start educating them about their rights responsibility on the net same case applies to the Intermediaries, if this issues are not enshrined in the law it will be total chaos (
looking at it from a government perspective)<br><br>Best Regards</span></p><div><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:58 AM, John Kariuki <<a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p>
<div><div><div><p>Grace,Listers,</p></div><div><p>Section 29 of KICA was first introduced in Kenya law in 1998 at the infancy of the Internet in Kenya and was based mainly on experience of Facsimile.It was, in my view, at that time not intended for intermediaries.</p>
</div><div><p>However,if today a smart lawyer can adduce pursuasive evidence in court that indeed the intermediary was actually the 'sender' not mere 'carrier', I see no reason why he may not secure a conviction based on KICA section 29. </p>
</div><div><p>&nbs
p;</p></div><div><p>John Kariuki.</p></div><div><p> </p></div><div><div><div><p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 16 October 2012, 1:02</span></p><div><p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Hate text messages/KICA Section 29</span></p></div></div><div>
<div><p> </p><div><div><div><div><p><span>Good morning Listers</span></p></div><div><p> </p></div><div><p><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">I would like to thank Jane, Barrack and Topista for views expressed on yesterday's topic <i>Shooting the messenger.</i></span></p>
</div><div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">They did express the need to place some level of responsibility on both the source of the content and the host platform. Further they underscored the need to have a good information system that operates under a sound policy framework if it is to be useful to society. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span></p></div><div style="margin-left:.5in"><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Today we look at Section 29 of the KICA (improper use of system) <a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/regulations/downloads/KenyaInformation-Communications-Act-Final.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cck.go.ke/regulations/downloads/KenyaInformation-Communications-Act-Final.pdf</a> that is increasingly being used as a basis for criminal charges for users of technology based platforms. See example: </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7VmsYNsqE" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Garamond","serif"">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7VmsYNsqE</span></a></p>
</div><div><p> </p></div><div><p style="text-indent:.5in;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"> </p></div><div><p style="text-indent:.5in;background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">29. A person who by means of a licensed telecommunication system— </span></b></p>
</div><div><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">(a) sends a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or </span></b></p>
</div><div><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">(b) sends a message that he knows to be false for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another person </span></b></p>
</div><div><p> </p></div><div><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">commits an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding fifty thousand shillings, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or to both.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span></p>
</div><div style="margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white">
<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Could misuse of an information system also be used to charge intermediaries? Would this call for the training of the Kenya Police, DPP and Judiciary so that they understand
the issues as they litigate and make rulings? </span></p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif""> </span></p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white">
<span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Listers, lets hear your views. Further, please feel free to go back to yesterday's thread on shooting the messenger if you would like to contribute. </span></p>
</div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"> </p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">Have a wonderful day</span></p></div>
<div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"> </p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span>Rgds</span></p></div><div><p style="line-height:12.75pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">GG</span></p>
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