<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">While the responsibility should be to all parties i believe that the host carries more of the responsibility- if you host a thief in your house knowingly or otherwise, you are culpable and the thief is already a thief anyway. In this era of volatile reactions to almost anything- i wonder what was going in the mind of the producer as he produced it- they must have had a notion about the kind of reaction that this would have elicited especially to the fundamentalists, i believe. My lay point of view.<br>Toepista<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Grace Githaiga
<ggithaiga@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> nabusoba@yahoo.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 15, 2012 9:00 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] Shooting the messenger?<br> </font> </div> <br>
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Thanks Jane. Yes the discussions during the face to face meeting were such an eye opener. Your comments have been noted. <div><br></div><div>Listers, do you agree with Jane that some level of responsibility should be placed on the person/institution that is the source of the content?<br><div>Rgds</div><div>Grace<br><br><div><div id="yiv228869352SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="yiv228869352stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:55:43 -0700<br>From: nnfeischools@yahoo.com<br>Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Shooting the messenger?<br>To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com; isoc@orion.my.co.ke<br>CC: ikua.evans@gmail.com<br><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><span>Thanks Grace</span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;"><span><font size="2">The breakfast Discussion were very fruitful and we need to keep the discussion going. There is
need to put some level of responsibility to the person or institution that is the source of the content. Some will send out content for monetary gains and otherwise. The society must have mechanisms of shaping itself up at all </font></span><font size="2">levels</font></div><div style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-style:normal;"><span><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div style="background-color:transparent;font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-style:normal;"><span><font size="2">Jane</font></span></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br></div> <div style="font-family:garamond, 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr
size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> "isoc@orion.my.co.ke" <isoc@orion.my.co.ke> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> ikua.evans@gmail.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 15, 2012 6:26 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [ISOC_KE] Shooting the messenger?<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715">
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<br><br><div><hr id="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715stopSpelling">From: ggithaiga@hotmail.com<br>To: alice@apc.org<br>CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>Subject: Shooting the messenger?<br>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:24:57 +0000<br><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Good morning Listers<div><br></div><div>I hope your week is starting well.</div><div><br></div><div>Last week, we held a f2f breakfast meeting to discuss intermediary liability in Kenya. As promised by Alice, we would like to continue with this discussion for this week. <br><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoListParagraph" style="margin-bottom:5.0pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoListParagraph" style="margin-bottom:5.0pt;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2">As Kenya prepares for elections next
year, and with all the political alignments taking place, we are likely to see
intermediaries being blamed for carrying utterances of our politicians. The
media has been blamed many times by politicians for ‘misquoting’ them yet in
many instances there is video footage to confirm that the politicians did
indeed say certain things. </font></span></div>
<div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="background-color:white;"><font size="2"><font color="#2a2a2a"><span style="line-height:12.75pt;">For those
who watched the youtube video that ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and resulted in
the killing of Christopher Stephens, the US ambassador to Libya and three
American members of his staff by angry </span><span style="line-height:17px;">protesters (or lynch mob as some people called them), who would you say was wrong or</span><span style="line-height:12.75pt;"> where would you place the
responsibility for this eventuality? Would you say it is the video producers or or youtube or who?</span></font></font><font style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);line-height:12.75pt;" size="3"></font></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2">Lets hear it from you listers.</font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2">A wonderful week to all of you.</font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2">Rgds</font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2">GG</font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div class="yiv228869352ecxyiv965156715ecxMsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:12.75pt;background:white;"><span style="color:rgb(42, 42, 42);"><font size="2"><br></font></span></div><div>> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:19:04 +0300<br>> From: alice@apc.org<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya<br>> CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>> To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com<br>> <br>> Dear Chip and all<br>> <br>> <br>> Thank you for sharing these valuable resources to enrich intermediary <br>> liability discussions.<br>> <br>> However, we have a more pressing issue to discuss, our "mobile switch <br>> off" (and here's a great article on that <br>> http://www.ihub.co.ke/blog/2012/10/phones-switch-off-how-it-was-done-why-and-what-next/)<br>> <br>> We will focus on that for a while and come back to the internet <br>> liability discussion after the breakfast meeting on 10th October. But
<br>> this should not stop any lister from posting an opinion on the issue.<br>> <br>> <br>> Best<br>> Alice<br><br></div></div></div>
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