<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Grace and all</div><div><br></div><div>A good piece on intermediary liability. I look forward to the discussions next week.</div><div><br></div><div>This is a touchy area which in my opinion remains undefined and subject to interpretations depending on what side of the fence you find yourself. </div><div><br></div><div>For example it is a known fact that the US Government periodically asks Google and other search engines to provide search histories of known Pedophiles. Is this a violation of one's privacy? Or can we argue that the Government is justified in this particular case?</div><div><br></div><div>How about the fact that known and well established global companies/Brands like Amazon and PayPal were used to blunt the bite of wikileaks by denying it the use of its domain and payment systems? This is a clear case of the US Government coercing these companies to do something that doesn't pass muster in the name of 'National Security'.</div><div><br></div><div>As a country where do we draw the line? At what point do we say this is for the good of the community and quash personal freedoms? Do our ideas of personal freedoms and the good of the community equate to the western value system? These are weighty questions that we as a society must address. And now. </div><div><br></div><div>The ongoing cases of two bloggers charged with various offenses will be instrumental. The judiciary is faced with a situation of monumental delicateness and import. We do hope that they will treat it with the weightiness it deserves.</div><div><br></div><div>I look forward to Wednesday's breakfast discussions. </div><div><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Grace Githaiga <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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.01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">This is
a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on intermediary
liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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.01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Internet
intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions between third parties
on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and index content,
products and services originated by third parties on the Internet or provide
internet based services to third parties.’ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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.01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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.01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">OECD identifies
Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and service providers
(ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including domain name
registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet payment systems, e-commerce
intermediaries and participative networking platforms which include internet
publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves create or own
content being published or broadcast’. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
11.55pt;background:white"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">From a Kenyan perspective, it is important to consider
mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile telephony continues to
set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though they are regulated
under telecom laws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
11.55pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI"">Intermediary
liability was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the
Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI"">Question:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">1.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI";
background:white">Are there other ways that we should define intermediaries?</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">2.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI";
background:white">What role should intermediaries play?</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">3.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI";
background:white">Considering that they do not create the content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? </span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Please
feel free to respond to any of the issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Rgds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"">Grace<o:p></o:p></span></p><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300<br>From: <a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a><br>Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya<br>CC: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br><br>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Colleagues, <br>
<br>
This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability
in Kenya
starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be
followed by a breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda
hotel. </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">See attached the initial
findings of the
study on Intermediary Liability in Kenya. We welcome comments.
Please note that this initial report
is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited
publicly until November,
when the final report will be made available.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The study notes that there
is a lack of a
clear framework for liability of intermediaries and a lot of
uncertainty in
understanding our evolving post-constitution legislative
environment particularly
in "regards to what offenses may happen on communications
networks and
whether intermediaries would be liable or not, this may have
contributed to
caution and self-regulation. <br>
<br>
In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down
procedures other than
responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do
we
need a </span><span style="" lang="EN-US">"clear
framework for liability of
intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation? What are the
strengths and weaknesses of the current situation</span><span lang="EN-US">?<br>
<br>
We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues
with the aim of
providing concrete recommendations and way forward.<br>
<br>
Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Alice<br>
<br>
<br>
This is a project of:<br>
</span></p>
<ul>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET)</span></li>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Open Society Initiative (OSI)</span></li>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Association for Progressive Communications (APC)</span></li>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Google</span></li>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Ministry of Information and Communications</span></li>
<li><span lang="EN-US">
Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya
(TESPOK)</span></li>
</ul>
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