<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Alice</div><div><br></div><div>Good to see Min of Info Com taking leadership in this important subject. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards <br><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">+254 773/713 601113</span></div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Alice Munyua <<a href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear listers, <br>
      <br>
      Find attached an invitation to a breakfast meeting on 10th October
      to discuss this issue. <br>
      <br>
      Best<br>
      Alice<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 02/10/2012 13:03, Grace Githaiga wrote:<br>
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            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Greetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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          .01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">This is
            a follow up to Alice’s email in which she shared a study on
            intermediary
            liability in Kenya, and inviting you to a discussion on the
            same.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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          .01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">Internet
            intermediaries bring together or facilitate transactions
            between third parties
            on the Internet. They give access to, host, transmit and
            index content,
            products and services originated by third parties on the
            Internet or provide
            internet based services to third parties.’ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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          .01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:.1pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:.1pt;
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          .01gd;mso-para-margin-left:0in;text-align:justify"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">OECD identifies
            Internet intermediaries to include ‘Internet access and
            service providers
            (ISPs), data processing and web hosting providers including
            domain name
            registrars, internet search engines and portals, internet
            payment systems, e-commerce
            intermediaries and participative networking platforms which
            include internet
            publishing and broadcasting platforms that do not themselves
            create or own
            content being published or broadcast’. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            MS","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
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            mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB">From a Kenyan
            perspective, it is important to consider
            mobile service providers as intermediaries since mobile
            telephony continues to
            set the stage for adoption of Internet access even though
            they are regulated
            under telecom laws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
          11.55pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";
            mso-ansi-language:EN-GB" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
          11.55pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";
            mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
            Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI"">Intermediary
liability
            was indirectly discussed on this list last week through the
            Piracy/WAPkid/Copyright discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";
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            Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI""> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
              New Roman";
              mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI"">Question:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS";
            mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">1.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">   
            </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe
            UI";
            background:white">Are there other ways that we should define
            intermediaries?</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
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            MS";
            mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">2.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">   
            </span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe
            UI";
            background:white">What role should intermediaries play?</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS";
            mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS"">3.<span style="font-size: 7pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> 
                </span></span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe
            UI";
            background:white">Considering that they do not create the
            content, should they be liable? And if so, in what ways? </span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif"">Please
            feel free to respond to any of the issues. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif"">Rgds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet
            MS","sans-serif"">Grace<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <br>
        <div>
          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alice@apc.org">alice@apc.org</a><br>
          Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya<br>
          CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br>
          <br>
          <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Colleagues, <br>
              <br>
              This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary
              liability in Kenya starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October
              2012, which will be followed by a breakfast meeting on
              10th October at jacaranda hotel. </span></p>
          <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">See attached the
              initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability in
              Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial
              report is a forthcoming publication, and it should not be
              cited publicly until November, when the final report will
              be made available.</span></p>
          <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The study notes
              that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability of
              intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding
              our evolving post-constitution legislative environment
              particularly in "regards to what offenses may happen on
              communications networks and whether intermediaries would
              be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution
              and self-regulation. <br>
              <br>
              In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down
              procedures other than responding in court to whichever law
              was cited as broken.   Do we need a </span><span style="" lang="EN-US">"clear framework for liability of
              intermediaries, and safe harbor legislation?   What are
              the strengths and weaknesses of the current situation</span><span lang="EN-US">?<br>
              <br>
              We would like to encourage policy discussions on these
              issues with the aim of providing concrete recommendations
              and way forward.<br>
              <br>
              Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here<br>
              <br>
              Best<br>
              <br>
              Alice<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              This is a project of:<br>
            </span></p>
          <ul>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET)</span></li>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Open Society Initiative (OSI)</span></li>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Association for Progressive
                Communications (APC)</span></li>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Google</span></li>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Ministry of Information and
                Communications</span></li>
            <li><span lang="EN-US"> Telecommunications Service Providers
                Association of Kenya (TESPOK)</span></li>
          </ul>
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