<p>It's not tricky, it doesn't make sense! How do you prioritize traffic on public infrastructure?</p>
<p>Sent on the run,<br>
Please excuse errors & ommissions!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 13, 2012 10:31 AM, "John Gitau" <<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
QOS will be tricky to define for an "Internet service".<br>
<br>
Gitau<br>
<br>
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On 13 Sep 2012, at 10:04, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> In addition, this could also be an issue of quality of service<br>
> (advertised versus provided service) and the QoS and above quoted<br>
> Regulations provide that the aggrieved consumer can complain to the<br>
> Licensee/ISP and if the complaint is not addressed, complain to CCK.<br>
><br>
> 2012/9/13, Victor Kapiyo <<a href="mailto:vkapiyo@gmail.com">vkapiyo@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> Collins, Listers,<br>
>><br>
>> I think it's important to have standards.<br>
>><br>
>> With regard to enforceability, allow me to quote some relevant provisions<br>
>> of the law:<br>
>><br>
>> The Constitution provides for Consumer Protection under Art. 46:<br>
>><br>
>> *46. (1) Consumers have the right�*<br>
>><br>
>> *(a) to goods and services of reasonable quality;<br>
>> *<br>
>> *(b) to the information necessary for them to gain full benefit from goods<br>
>> and services;<br>
>> *<br>
>> *(c) to the protection of their health, safety, and economic interests; and<br>
>> *<br>
>> *(d) to compensation for loss or injury arising from defects in goods or<br>
>> services.<br>
>> *<br>
>> *(2) Parliament shall enact legislation to provide for consumer protection<br>
>> and for fair, honest and decent advertising.<br>
>> *<br>
>> *(3) This Article applies to goods and services offered by public entities<br>
>> or private persons*<br>
>><br>
>> NB: The Consumer Protection Bill, which is to be enacted pursuant to Art 46<br>
>> (2), is yet to be passed by Parliament.<br>
>><br>
>> In addition, we already have regulations under the Kenya Information and<br>
>> Communication Act, �i.e. Kenya Information and Communication (Consumer<br>
>> Protection) Regulations 2010, which is already in force.<br>
>><br>
>> Allow me to quote:<br>
>><br>
>> *"3. Rights and obligations of customers.*<br>
>><br>
>> *(1) A customer shall have the right to�<br>
>><br>
>> (a) receive clear and complete information about rates, terms and<br>
>> conditions for available and proposed products and services;<br>
>><br>
>> (b) be charged only for the products and services they subscribe to;<br>
>><br>
>> (c) where possible, select a service provider and service of the customer�s<br>
>> choice;<br>
>><br>
>> (d) personal privacy and protection against unauthorized use of personal<br>
>> information;<br>
>><br>
>> (e) accurate and understandable bills for products and services authorised<br>
>> by the customer, and to fair prompt redress in the event of a dispute in<br>
>> the provision of the products and services;<br>
>><br>
>> (f) protection from unfair trade practices, including false and misleading<br>
>> advertising and anti-competitive behaviour by licensees; and<br>
>><br>
>> (g) equal opportunity for access to the same type and quality of service as<br>
>> other customers in the same area at substantially the same tariff limiting<br>
>> variations to available or appropriate technologies required to serve<br>
>> specific customers."*<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> And Rule 23:<br>
>><br>
>> *"23. Offences and penalties.<br>
>> (1) A licensee who�<br>
>><br>
>> (a) fails to perform the measurement, reporting and record keeping tasks<br>
>> within the required time;<br>
>><br>
>> (b) fails to reach a target for any of the parameters stipulated under<br>
>> these Regulations;<br>
>><br>
>> (c) fails to submit, during a time specified by the Commission, information<br>
>> requested by the Commission pursuant to these Regulations;<br>
>><br>
>> (d) submits or publishes false or misleading information about the quality<br>
>> of its services;<br>
>><br>
>> (e) obstructs or prevents an inspection or investigation carried out by the<br>
>> Commission pursuant to these Regulations;<br>
>><br>
>> (f) engages in any act or omission whose effect would be to defeat the<br>
>> purposes of these Regulations, commits an offence.<br>
>><br>
>> (3) A person who commits an offence under these Regulations shall, where no<br>
>> specific penalty is provided for, is liable on conviction to a fine not<br>
>> exceeding three hundred thousand shillings or to imprisonment for a term<br>
>> not exceeding three years or both."*<br>
>><br>
>> As you can see from the foregoing, there are sufficient provisions in the<br>
>> law to regulate licensee conduct with regard to advertising. If these were<br>
>> followed and implemented to the letter by all persons, then we'd have more<br>
>> transparency especially with regard to advertising.<br>
>><br>
>> What would perhaps problematic is the level of disclosure, i.e. what would<br>
>> constitute complete information within the meaning of the law?<br>
>><br>
>> Here, I think that either standards or further guidelines would be<br>
>> important, to provide clear criteria or guidelines for the class,<br>
>> elements or type of information that would need to be disclosed to meet the<br>
>> threshold of the provisions so quoted. I think the industry needs to sit<br>
>> down and agree on this bearing in mind the industry best practices and the<br>
>> practicability of implementing the same in the Kenyan context.<br>
>><br>
>> Victor<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my Windows 8 PC <<a href="http://windows.microsoft.com/consumer-preview" target="_blank">http://windows.microsoft.com/consumer-preview</a>><br>
>><br>
>> *From:* Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
>> *Sent:* 11 September 2012 21:06:26<br>
>> *To:* <a href="mailto:vkapiyo@gmail.com">vkapiyo@gmail.com</a><br>
>> *CC:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ISP Advertising Standards: Open Letter to CCK<br>
>><br>
>> Collins<br>
>><br>
>> Good idea. We could also appeal to APA (Advertising Practitioners<br>
>> Association) as this also borders on culpability from an advertising agency<br>
>> perspective.<br>
>><br>
>> Ali Hussein<br>
>><br>
>> +254 773/713 601113<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from my iPhone�<br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Areba Collins [ @BrainiacKE � ]<<br>
>> <a href="mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com">arebacollins@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello listers,<br>
>> Im following this from a discussion in the other list from one Kelvin, his<br>
>> assertions were:<br>
>><br>
>> I think we need to as a group write a couple of recommendations for the CCK<br>
>>> to rein in ISPs especially how they advertise. This could cover aspects<br>
>>> such as :-<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> � - Proper disclosure to customers on speeds i.e should Orange advertise<br>
>>> � 21mbps and get away with it<br>
>>> � - Outline whether its shared<br>
>>> � - Provide figures for the FUP<br>
>>> � - Disclose whether or not inernet is unlimited<br>
>>><br>
>>> There are some things you wouldnt get away with the FCC in the US .<br>
>>><br>
>>> What are your thoughts ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kevin<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>> I need to hear what CCK has to say about this, I would very much preffer<br>
>> ISP companies to give full disclosure of what they are selling , using a<br>
>> standardized nomenclature. Could someone please advise if this is<br>
>> enforceable?<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> *�The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of<br>
>> great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of<br>
>> corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of<br>
>> protecting corporate power against democracy�*<br>
>><br>
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