<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>So like my bread going stale after 3 days left in consumed? :-) </div><div><br></div><div>The fact is while buying the service we subscribe to some terms, smallprint and agree to them. If the terms have an expiration then so be it. </div><div><br></div><div>The issue in this case seems to be a promise made and not kept and no communication seems to be forthcoming. It is consumers turning the tables in the only way we know how- for now.</div><div><br></div><div>Jgitau<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 10 Sep 2012, at 17:04, Mark Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com">mwangy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>@Ali<div><br></div><div>I faced a similar problem when I had some expired scratch cards that I returned to the CC center and they were promptly replaced. I wondered then why they should expire at all like the way phone numbers are reclaimed after not being used for a while.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I believe it is a business strategy because for instance if I was to buy a simcard, use it for 3 months and then toss it after that. if the no.s were never reclaimed that particular no. would be locked forever and thus the company would go on a perpetual loss because I believe they pay the CCk something for the prefixes or for no.s I may be wrong here but I think it is a limited resource. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I believe the same for data. As Makau says on his blog, the upstream data is probably determined by how many prople are subscribed to and are likely to use the facility. If however we all buy data and decide we will use it 3 months from now then the current capacity is unused and the telco registers a loss. They are commercial bodies at the end of the day. </div>
<div><br></div><div>My 1/-.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Edith Adera <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The issue was first raised here, it can always be twitted to the public. Bottomline, important to get feedback whatever the channel. "elitist" comment is misplaced.<br>
<br>
Edith<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a href="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Mwangi [<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com">mwangy@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 3:09 PM<br>
To: Edith Adera<br>
<div class="im">Cc: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom Internet Bundles and Expiry dates<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">@edith and @ali not everyone is on kictanet. Twitter is a more public platform and so I would think a better medium to engage the CEO and the company at large or is this an elitist list?<br>
<br>
I found this post by one Tom Makau very informative on the reasons expiry dates exist in the first place and why they may not disappear the way we want them to. here it is for listers consumption. >> <a href="http://tommakau.com/2012/07/23/why-your-mobile-data-bundle-expires/" target="_blank">http://tommakau.com/2012/07/23/why-your-mobile-data-bundle-expires/</a><br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>>> wrote:<br>
+1 Edith.<br>
<br>
Safaricom is one of the most responsive companies on twitter. And I mean from a global perspective. So +1 to them on that. What we must ask them to do is that the traditional modes of communication are as critical.<br>
<br>
I can also confirm that I have been called by a Service Rep from Safaricom who confirms to me that the so called Night Shift Bundle DOES expire on the date quoted on the SMS I received.<br>
<br>
Can someone senior at Safaricom please confirm this. How is it possible that we are unable to resolve this issue 3 days after I raised it?<br>
<br>
<br>
Ali Hussein<br>
<br>
+254 773/713 601113<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone®<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On Sep 10, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Edith Adera <<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Walu,<br>
<br>
BC may want to link his twitter account to the list for purposes of responding to stakeholders. Not everyone is on twitter. We are raising important issues and would expect some clarification.<br>
<br>
The point is that Safaricom has an obligation to clarify when issues of service provision are raised.<br>
<br>
Edith<br>
________________________________________<br>
</div>From: Walubengo J [<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>]<br>
<div class="im">Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:18 AM<br>
To: Edith Adera<br>
</div>Cc: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<div class="im">Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom Internet Bundles and Expiry dates<br>
<br>
@Edith,<br>
<br>
MJ was quick on email. But i discovered Bob C. was quicker on twitter. Its thier differnce in approach. Ping the guy @bobcollymore and he is likely to hit back :-)<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
<br>
------------------------------<br>
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:35 AM AST (Arabian) Edith Adera wrote:<br>
<br>
Listers,<br>
<br>
We would have expected a clarification from Safaricom by now! Atleast in the past we would get response even from the CEO himself.<br>
<br>
what has changed?<br>
<br>
Edith<br>
________________________________________<br>
</div>From: kictanet [kictanet-bounces+eadera=<a href="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beadera">kictanet-bounces+eadera</a>=<a href="mailto:idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>] On Behalf Of Ali Hussein [<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>>]<br>
<div class="im">Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:47 AM<br>
To: Edith Adera<br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom Internet Bundles and Expiry dates<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
Managing expectations is one the most critical components of a CEO's job.<br>
<br>
The fact that you are in Kapsabet and can get connectivity is good. And shows that Telcos are beginning to heed the demand for such services in the counties.<br>
<br>
Ali Hussein<br>
<br>
+254 773/713 601113<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone®<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:08 AM, John Gitau <<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
This is I suspect more of a technical issue than anything else. The other is communication and us expecting promises to be kept.<br>
<br>
Sometimes CEO's and I'm sure some of you do just that might underestimate the impact of a seemingly simple change on a system before making promises. I have been on the receiving end of this sort of thing severally.<br>
<br>
While technical teams and vendors try to work day and night to fix it, you introduce a series of bugs that annoyingly seem to make things worse as we collectively hold the CEO responsible. This is fine, they should be, and good CEOs deal with it in stride.<br>
<br>
What we probably need is an explanation on what's going on and maybe you/we give what would look/sound like a proper remedy, which I see lots of suggestions. I still believe they have the best guys and systems to fix this. Also don't forget that in the end there really has been more improvement on their systems but as usual we want and expect more. We're paying consumers after all. (I'm at kapsabet and there is no chance of an ISP giving me the on demand service I'm getting from safaricom from here) .<br>
<br>
Gitau<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On 10 Sep 2012, at 07:36, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes James. I read that post last month which makes this issue even more annoying...<br>
<br>
Is it that the CEO says something and doesn't follow through? Or is that there are too many silos in the company that information doesn't seep through?<br>
<br>
I'm sure someone from Safaricom has read this thread by now and lets hope they will do something about it.<br>
<br>
Or maybe CCK can tell us whether this is within the allowed Modus Operandi for Telcos?<br>
<br>
Ali Hussein<br>
<br>
+254 773/713 601113<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone®<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:25 AM, James Muendo <<a href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com">timrick@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com">timrick@gmail.com</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com">timrick@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
@Ali,<br>
<br>
You might as well as look at the same concerns that Erik Hersman raised on his post<<a href="http://whiteafrican.com/2012/07/18/how-safaricom-steals-your-internet-bundle/" target="_blank">http://whiteafrican.com/2012/07/18/how-safaricom-steals-your-internet-bundle/</a>>.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">On 7 September 2012 22:32, Edith Adera <<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
Same experience I had today!<br>
<br>
I thought I read an article stating that Safaricom CEO indicated that "expiring" bandwidth would not happen again? Was he misquoted like our "politicians"?<br>
<br>
one of the messages I got indicated expiring date of 2031!!!, but on running the bundle balance it was ending 7th October 2012! Not acceptable!<br>
<br>
While at it, Airtel should also not force subscribers to get unrequested promotions such as 500% bonus airtime, which expires before you use it!!<br>
<br>
This industry runs as though it's not being regulated! CCK?<br>
<br>
Edith<br>
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<div class="im">Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 10:05 PM<br>
To: Edith Adera<br>
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom Internet Bundles and Expiry dates<br>
<br>
Surprising Safaricom makes a non perishable commodity perish faster<br>
that tomatoes. It like Shell petroleum telling you if you don't<br>
consume that petrol, you will find your tank empty.<br>
<br>
On the night shift data, well its FREE to loop you in, and keep you<br>
hooked to the network. That is what promotions are for.<br>
<br>
</div><div><div class="h5">On 07/09/2012, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><mailto:<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
Listers<br>
<br>
I hate to gripe about these issues..We are now sounding like scratched LP<br>
Records (for those on the right side of 40 you may remember LPs? :-) )...<br>
<br>
While browsing at home I decided to check my Safaricom bundle balance and<br>
this is the message I got from the SMS response:-<br>
<br>
*Current Data Bundle: 1448.49MB, expiry 07-10-2012; Night Shift Data:<br>
750MB, expiry 14-09-2012.<br>
<br>
*1. Why should my bundle even have an expiry date?? I thought Safaricom<br>
assured us that this business of expiration dates for bundles bought was a<br>
thing of the past?<br>
<br>
2. I know for certain that the so called 'Night Shift Data' promotion that<br>
Safaricom has been running has an expiry date. Last week this bonus<br>
mysteriously disappeared from my modem number.<br>
<br>
Now I know that this isn't right. Can someone from Safaricom resolve this<br>
issue?<br>
<br>
Unfortunately I am resolving to bring out my frustrations because Safaricom<br>
is the only network that has 3G coverage at my residence. If I had a choice<br>
I wouldn't even be writing this post. I gave up long ago on Orange, Airtel<br>
and yu even coming close to giving us the kind of coverage that Safaricom<br>
does. If only Safaricom can behave like a reasonable Corporate Citizen (Are<br>
you listening Safaricom?)...<br>
<br>
I appeal to Zuku to hasten their role out to my area then I can stop<br>
writing these frustrating postings...<br>
<br>
Disgruntled locked Safaricom customer<br>
<br>
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<br>
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