I think it has more to do with money than any technical issues - since its just a date/period that needs to be changed. If Safcom extends the expiry period to say 2031 or better yet removes it, they loose money. And clearly are in the business of making money, not loosing it, which is done by having expiry dates to ensure people keep on reloading credit to their accounts. Airtime still has expiry dates, which used to be shorter a while back but have since been extended to last longer periods. <div>
<br></div><div>Moreover, i think Safcoms, and perhaps other telcos business models thrive on this concept, which may be a little difficult to change radically even if the CEO makes some statements to that effect. And in the event they do change, i think the expiry period will be increased just slightly, so as not to compromise the company's interests.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Lastly, and just for clarity's sake, does anyone have, or can someone compile statistics of the expiry periods for data and voice for the various telcos? </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>
<br></div><div>Victor<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 September 2012 08:29, Ali Hussein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="im"><div><br><br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><br></div><div>+254 773/713 601113</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone®</div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:08 AM, John Gitau <<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgitau@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>This is I suspect more of a technical issue than anything else. The other is communication and us expecting promises to be kept.</div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes CEO's and I'm sure some of you do just that might underestimate the impact of a seemingly simple change on a system before making promises. I have been on the receiving end of this sort of thing severally. </div>
<div><br></div><div>While technical teams and vendors try to work day and night to fix it, you introduce a series of bugs that annoyingly seem to make things worse as we collectively hold the CEO responsible. This is fine, they should be, and good CEOs deal with it in stride.</div>
<div><br></div><div>What we probably need is an explanation on what's going on and maybe you/we give what would look/sound like a proper remedy, which I see lots of suggestions. I still believe they have the best guys and systems to fix this. Also don't forget that in the end there really has been more improvement on their systems but as usual we want and expect more. <span>We're paying consumers after all. </span><span>(I'm at kapsabet and there is no chance of an ISP giving me the on demand service I'm getting from safaricom from here) .</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Gitau</div><div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 10 Sep 2012, at 07:36, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div>Yes James. I read that post last month which makes this issue even more annoying...</div><div><br></div><div>Is it that the CEO says something and doesn't follow through? Or is that there are too many silos in the company that information doesn't seep through? </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm sure someone from Safaricom has read this thread by now and lets hope they will do something about it. </div><div><br></div><div>Or maybe CCK can tell us whether this is within the allowed Modus Operandi for Telcos? <br>
<br><div>Ali Hussein</div><div><br></div><div>+254 773/713 601113</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone®</div></div><div><br>On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:25 AM, James Muendo <<a href="mailto:timrick@gmail.com" target="_blank">timrick@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">@Ali, </font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">You might as well as look at the same concerns that <span style="line-height:22px;color:rgb(17,17,17);font-size:14px">Erik Hersman</span> raised on his <a href="http://whiteafrican.com/2012/07/18/how-safaricom-steals-your-internet-bundle/" target="_blank">post</a>. </font><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 September 2012 22:32, Edith Adera <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Same experience I had today!<br>
<br>
I thought I read an article stating that Safaricom CEO indicated that "expiring" bandwidth would not happen again? Was he misquoted like our "politicians"?<br>
<br>
one of the messages I got indicated expiring date of 2031!!!, but on running the bundle balance it was ending 7th October 2012! Not acceptable!<br>
<br>
While at it, Airtel should also not force subscribers to get unrequested promotions such as 500% bonus airtime, which expires before you use it!!<br>
<br>
This industry runs as though it's not being regulated! CCK?<br>
<br>
Edith<br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom Internet Bundles and Expiry dates<br>
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Surprising Safaricom makes a non perishable commodity perish faster<br>
that tomatoes. It like Shell petroleum telling you if you don't<br>
consume that petrol, you will find your tank empty.<br>
<br>
On the night shift data, well its FREE to loop you in, and keep you<br>
hooked to the network. That is what promotions are for.<br>
<br>
On 07/09/2012, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Listers<br>
><br>
> I hate to gripe about these issues..We are now sounding like scratched LP<br>
> Records (for those on the right side of 40 you may remember LPs? :-) )...<br>
><br>
> While browsing at home I decided to check my Safaricom bundle balance and<br>
> this is the message I got from the SMS response:-<br>
><br>
> *Current Data Bundle: 1448.49MB, expiry 07-10-2012; Night Shift Data:<br>
> 750MB, expiry 14-09-2012.<br>
><br>
> *1. Why should my bundle even have an expiry date?? I thought Safaricom<br>
> assured us that this business of expiration dates for bundles bought was a<br>
> thing of the past?<br>
><br>
> 2. I know for certain that the so called 'Night Shift Data' promotion that<br>
> Safaricom has been running has an expiry date. Last week this bonus<br>
> mysteriously disappeared from my modem number.<br>
><br>
> Now I know that this isn't right. Can someone from Safaricom resolve this<br>
> issue?<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately I am resolving to bring out my frustrations because Safaricom<br>
> is the only network that has 3G coverage at my residence. If I had a choice<br>
> I wouldn't even be writing this post. I gave up long ago on Orange, Airtel<br>
> and yu even coming close to giving us the kind of coverage that Safaricom<br>
> does. If only Safaricom can behave like a reasonable Corporate Citizen (Are<br>
> you listening Safaricom?)...<br>
><br>
> I appeal to Zuku to hasten their role out to my area then I can stop<br>
> writing these frustrating postings...<br>
><br>
> Disgruntled locked Safaricom customer<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> *Ali Hussein*<br>
><br>
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><br>
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