Hi,<br><br>Well this is never surprising , Kenya for one is always ranked extremely well in others and worst in others quite paradoxical, particularly this case of failed states, i agree with one of the listers who said that perhaps some issues are weighed heavier than others, but at any rate i believe that Kenya ranks highly in most issues, except may be for embarrassing occasions when our MP's turn things out to suit their most immediate needs. <br>
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2. Re: Failed States Index 2012 - Kenya #16, Somalia #1, Libya<br>
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3. Re: Failed States Index 2012 - Kenya #16, Somalia #1, Libya<br>
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Well I can only describe this as the epitome of arrogance, that said we need to really work on our national value system.<br>
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Subject: [kictanet] Failed States Index 2012 - Kenya #16, Somalia #1,<br>
Libya #50 (???),<br>
<br>
Apologies this is not mainstream ICT but at the periphery some ICT<br>
aspects need to be considered as well...(open access to information,<br>
ICT enabling democracy/choice/transparency, ICT in corruption, etc) .<br>
<br>
This index is by the US group Fund for Peace. I wonder what metrics<br>
they are using or how they are weighting the values of the 13 indices<br>
they use.<br>
<br>
Kenya is ranked 16th...that's just 15 steps away from Somalia (???),<br>
14 from DRC and shares the "teens" positions with Pakistan, Nigeria,<br>
Niger among others. The lower the score, the more "failed" a state<br>
is.<br>
<br>
Anyway....the links:<br>
<br>
1 - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index</a><br>
(updated with 2012 Index)<br>
<br>
2 - <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive" target="_blank">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Personally I don't think Kenya should rate that poorly out of a 177 or<br>
so countries...I suspect some of the 13 indices are weighted more<br>
heavy than others (corruption, criminality, political situation etc) -<br>
and if such were removed from the index, just for the sake of seeing<br>
how it shifts the rankings, I'd like to think some EU countries would<br>
be in the top 50 at least....social unrest, steep economic decline,<br>
slum creation (US - housing/mortgage crisis has seen more people<br>
living in the streets in the last couple of years than in the last<br>
half a century), Wall Street demos, etc, ...."Suspension or arbitrary<br>
application of law" (Guantano Bay still open for business, The<br>
Patriots Act).<br>
<br>
And "Intervention of external political agents" - I think in Africa's<br>
case these "political agents" are usually from (or supported/fronted)<br>
by some developing countries that would want to nurture certain<br>
regimes in order to reap some economic gain...but that's an argument<br>
for another day.<br>
<br>
I'm also surprised the use of the adjective "primitive" by Korean<br>
Airlines, to describe Kenyans, elicited more reactions than this lowly<br>
ranking...should we get all hot and bothered about what is likely an<br>
issue of translation or summon our national pride and repudiate this<br>
"failed" states index?<br>
<br>
Rgds<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:54:16 +0300<br>
From: Warigia Bowman <<a href="mailto:warigia@gmail.com">warigia@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Failed States Index 2012 - Kenya #16, Somalia<br>
#1, Libya #50 (???),<br>
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Yes, I think it is completely unreasonable for Foreign Policy to give Kenya<br>
this rating.<br>
<br>
Kenya certainly has problems, but I am in Egypt right now, and from my<br>
perspective, Kenya looks pretty good.<br>
<br>
I think it is rather insulting that Myanmar gets a better rating than Kenya<br>
or Uganda. Good grief. Part of the problem is the hegemonic discourse of<br>
Africa as a site of failure.<br>
<br>
Thanks for raising this issue. Warigia<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
<br>
> Apologies this is not mainstream ICT but at the periphery some ICT<br>
> aspects need to be considered as well...(open access to information,<br>
> ICT enabling democracy/choice/transparency, ICT in corruption, etc) .<br>
><br>
> This index is by the US group Fund for Peace. I wonder what metrics<br>
> they are using or how they are weighting the values of the 13 indices<br>
> they use.<br>
><br>
> Kenya is ranked 16th...that's just 15 steps away from Somalia (???),<br>
> 14 from DRC and shares the "teens" positions with Pakistan, Nigeria,<br>
> Niger among others. The lower the score, the more "failed" a state<br>
> is.<br>
><br>
> Anyway....the links:<br>
><br>
> 1 - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index</a><br>
> (updated with 2012 Index)<br>
><br>
> 2 - <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive" target="_blank">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Personally I don't think Kenya should rate that poorly out of a 177 or<br>
> so countries...I suspect some of the 13 indices are weighted more<br>
> heavy than others (corruption, criminality, political situation etc) -<br>
> and if such were removed from the index, just for the sake of seeing<br>
> how it shifts the rankings, I'd like to think some EU countries would<br>
> be in the top 50 at least....social unrest, steep economic decline,<br>
> slum creation (US - housing/mortgage crisis has seen more people<br>
> living in the streets in the last couple of years than in the last<br>
> half a century), Wall Street demos, etc, ...."Suspension or arbitrary<br>
> application of law" (Guantano Bay still open for business, The<br>
> Patriots Act).<br>
><br>
> And "Intervention of external political agents" - I think in Africa's<br>
> case these "political agents" are usually from (or supported/fronted)<br>
> by some developing countries that would want to nurture certain<br>
> regimes in order to reap some economic gain...but that's an argument<br>
> for another day.<br>
><br>
> I'm also surprised the use of the adjective "primitive" by Korean<br>
> Airlines, to describe Kenyans, elicited more reactions than this lowly<br>
> ranking...should we get all hot and bothered about what is likely an<br>
> issue of translation or summon our national pride and repudiate this<br>
> "failed" states index?<br>
><br>
> Rgds<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Francis Hook<br>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:16:09 +0300<br>
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#1, Libya #50 (???),<br>
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Francis,<br>
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Thank you for bringing this up. I think the ratings are more to do with<br>
perception than reality. Most of the negative that make us rank so poorly<br>
is our own creation. What about thousands of NGOs taking pictures of slums,<br>
drought and starving children then run to western donors begging for cash<br>
to "HELP" the poor they "REPRESENT"! This has ruined the developing world's<br>
image beyond measure. Our own PRESS is also a major problem. I don't see<br>
western country publish widely sensationalizing their homeless, street<br>
gangs, mafia, and grand grand corruption, as we do ours.<br>
<br>
In recent times, I have seen our leaders, including PS Ndemo insist on<br>
positive reporting from our media. That is the direction we should seek. If<br>
we instill cockiness in the direction of narcissism, then the west will<br>
stop taking us for granted.<br>
<br>
Self Love<br>
<br>
On 21 June 2012 10:47, Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Apologies this is not mainstream ICT but at the periphery some ICT<br>
> aspects need to be considered as well...(open access to information,<br>
> ICT enabling democracy/choice/transparency, ICT in corruption, etc) .<br>
><br>
> This index is by the US group Fund for Peace. I wonder what metrics<br>
> they are using or how they are weighting the values of the 13 indices<br>
> they use.<br>
><br>
> Kenya is ranked 16th...that's just 15 steps away from Somalia (???),<br>
> 14 from DRC and shares the "teens" positions with Pakistan, Nigeria,<br>
> Niger among others. The lower the score, the more "failed" a state<br>
> is.<br>
><br>
> Anyway....the links:<br>
><br>
> 1 - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index</a><br>
> (updated with 2012 Index)<br>
><br>
> 2 - <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive" target="_blank">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/failed_states_index_2012_interactive</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Personally I don't think Kenya should rate that poorly out of a 177 or<br>
> so countries...I suspect some of the 13 indices are weighted more<br>
> heavy than others (corruption, criminality, political situation etc) -<br>
> and if such were removed from the index, just for the sake of seeing<br>
> how it shifts the rankings, I'd like to think some EU countries would<br>
> be in the top 50 at least....social unrest, steep economic decline,<br>
> slum creation (US - housing/mortgage crisis has seen more people<br>
> living in the streets in the last couple of years than in the last<br>
> half a century), Wall Street demos, etc, ...."Suspension or arbitrary<br>
> application of law" (Guantano Bay still open for business, The<br>
> Patriots Act).<br>
><br>
> And "Intervention of external political agents" - I think in Africa's<br>
> case these "political agents" are usually from (or supported/fronted)<br>
> by some developing countries that would want to nurture certain<br>
> regimes in order to reap some economic gain...but that's an argument<br>
> for another day.<br>
><br>
> I'm also surprised the use of the adjective "primitive" by Korean<br>
> Airlines, to describe Kenyans, elicited more reactions than this lowly<br>
> ranking...should we get all hot and bothered about what is likely an<br>
> issue of translation or summon our national pride and repudiate this<br>
> "failed" states index?<br>
><br>
> Rgds<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Francis Hook<br>
> <a href="tel:%2B254%20733%20504561" value="+254733504561">+254 733 504561</a><br>
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