Thank You Walubengo for your observations.<div><br></div><div>You are not wrong at all. Time for being duped is over, but I doubt if we have any muscle.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2012 11:10, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">@Kivuva,<br><br>I tend to see it that way too.� As a global community, we have to chose whether we want the Internet to governed from Washington or NYC (UN-aka-ITU).<br>
<br>Either way, Uncle Sam will somehow retain veto power.� I remember reading somewhere that one Congress man said that he cannot understand how - assuming Internet Governance goes the United Nations way - he could NOT understand how the US would have the same vote/powers as say Somalia, Afghanistan and others (e.g Kenya?) whose society may not be as intricately tied to the Internet as thiers is..<br>
<br>What is worse, the motive of some countries to control the Internet is quite suspect - recall an earlier post I made about Google not "working" from Guangzhou, China? I suspect most African governments are coming in from this perspective and use ITU to sanitize such agenda with the
correct diplomatic legalese.� ITU plays along since they would not mind a redifned role (control internet) in the current dispensation of a knowledge economy.<br><br>But that's just my personal view and I do hope am wrong.<br>
<br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 6/7/12, Kivuva <i><<a>Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Kivuva <<a>Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] WCITleaks just launched<div class="im"><br>To: <a>jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div>Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 10:17 AM<div>
<div class="h5"><br><br><div>Well, the issue of Internet governance is a hot topic involving hard diplomacy. US has put fifth gear in its propaganda�machinery. We all know that the Internet is Governed from Washington, with president Bush in his�reign�vetoing many
proposals from ICANN. We all know how powerful this�behemoth�ICANN is, and that it reports to USA Department of Commerce.<div>
<br></div><div>The revenue these�California�firms get from gTLDs an other payouts is huge, so don't expect them to�relinquish�control over the internet without a fight.</div><div><br></div><div>We all know anybody who controls root servers, the domain names, IP numbers, and AS numbers, control a huge chunk of the internet. They can even refuse to propagate a zone file for a particular ccTLD. US still has the majority primary root servers.<br>
<div><br></div><div>Are we forgetting SOPA?</div><div><br></div><div>Is there anybody who never heard of <a rel="nofollow">wikileaks.org</a>?�The US put pressure on�registrars�to drop it like hot coal.�Julian Assange had to seek refuge on ccTLDs and mirror sites to broadcast his message. �So if we are talking about internet freedom, "the land of the free" is the true jail for our beloved internet.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Bottom line, is it better for the life of the internet to be controlled from�Washington�(read one country), or for it to be controlled by UN? Of course UN is still not the most neutral place, with US bankrolling it.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div>On 7 June 2012 09:28, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
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What ? <img><br><br>GG,<br><br>at this rate, we are likely going to see how Kenya has been voting all along on this matters!<br>
<br>If this was from Nollywood(Nigerian movie) soon to be replaced by our very own Riverwood (Nairobi River Road) I would say "the plot thickens" <img>.<br><br>walu.<br>--- On <b>Thu, 6/7/12, Grace Githaiga <i><<a rel="nofollow">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Grace Githaiga <<a rel="nofollow">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [kictanet] WCITleaks just launched<br>To: <a rel="nofollow">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a rel="nofollow">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Thursday, June 7, 2012, 12:48 AM<br><br><div>
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<div><br><div><br></div><div><a rel="nofollow">http://wcitleaks.org/</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><a rel="nofollow">Wednesday, June 6, 2012</a></div>
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<h2><a rel="nofollow">Today we�re launching WCITLeaks.org</a></h2>As you may have heard, <a rel="nofollow">the UN is trying to take over the internet</a>.
Well, that�s not really true, but member states of the UN�s
International Telecommunications Union (ITU) are definitely going to
negotiate an agreement related to the Internet at the World Conference
on International Communications (WCIT - pronounced �wicket�) this
December in Dubai. <a rel="nofollow">U.S. officials have warned</a> that some member states, including Russia and China, have put forth proposals to regulate the Internet. Vint Cerf <a rel="nofollow">has warned</a>
that �Such proposals raise the prospect of policies that enable
government controls but greatly diminish the �permissionless innovation�
that underlies extraordinary Internet-based economic growth to say
nothing of trampling human rights.�<br>So what are these proposals? Well, we don�t know exactly. To see
them, you have to have access to the ITU�s password protected website.
This lack of transparency brings to mind secret negotiations like the
one that gave us ACTA, and several civil society groups <a rel="nofollow">have written</a> to the ITU demanding access to the documents.<br>The proposals are not classified and it�s not illegal to share them. In fact, they often are shared. At a <a rel="nofollow">recent panel discussion</a>
that I attended, the State Department�s Richard Beaird said, �Access to
the proposals, of course, as I have done and others have done, is if
you ask me, I will give you those proposals. I don�t want to have a
flood of requests coming in from the room or those int he television
audience.�<br>At the time, I <a rel="nofollow">tweeted</a>:
�If someone will pass them to me, I volunteer to host a site with gov
WCIT proposals.� It seemed weird to me that someone wasn�t collecting
and publishing the documents, like how <a rel="nofollow">opencrs.com</a> does with
Congressional Research Service reports. I promptly forgot about the
idea, but was reminded yesterday when Milton Mueller wrote <a rel="nofollow">this post</a> urging the U.S. to make documents available. He wrote:<br>
<blockquote>Today, IGP has learned that the U.S. government is in possession of
a document that brings together descriptions of all the WCIT proposals
emerging from the ITU�s Council Working Group. The document, known as TD
64, compiles all the proposals on the table into a single document
without attributing them to any specific government. No law or treaty
stops the US government from making this document available to the
public. We urge the U.S. government to release TD 64 of the ITU Council
Working Group immediately.<br>
</blockquote>Of course, while it�s not illegal, publishing these documents is
probably not considered polite in the rarefied diplomatic circles of the
ITU. So, I thought we�d give folks with access to the documents a
helping hand.<br>Yesterday Eli Dourado and I spent a couple of hours putting together a website at <a rel="nofollow">WCITLeaks.org</a>.
The idea is simple: If you have a WCIT or ITU related document you�d
like to share, submit it anonymously and we will publish it. That�s it.
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