<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Ali,<br><br>Milton Mueller, a Prof at Syracuse Univ in the US keeps tabs on these developments. I dont always agree with him but I found this piece a good intro to the International Politics of the Internet..and a balanced opinion on the recent ITU moves.<br><br><b>http://preview.tinyurl.com/crbvqzh<br></b><br>or<b><br><br></b>http://www.internetgovernance.org/2012/05/24/threat-analysis-of-tus-wcit-part-1-historical-context/<b><br></b><br>walu.<b><br></b>nb: Obviously he applies less fuzzy logic than the PS :-).<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 6/5/12, Ali Hussein <i><ali@hussein.me.ke></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat to Internet Freedom?<br>To:
jwalu@yahoo.com<br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2012, 2:30 PM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Daktari <br><br>Well put. I'm sure as we move along that will be clearer...<br><br>Thanks <br><br>Ali Hussein<br><br>+254 773/713 601113<br><br>Sent from my iPhone®<br><br>On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:58 PM, <a ymailto="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> wrote:<br><br>> The World is not black and white only. Having no position is in itself a<br>> position.<br>> <br>> Ndemo.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>>> Walu<br>>> <br>>> Thank you for putting words in the mouth of Government! :) Now if only<br>>> someone in Government can agree/disagree with Walu's thoughts..<br>>> <br>>> CCK you there?<br>>> <br>>> Ali Hussein<br>>> <br>>> +254 773/713 601113<br>>>
<br>>> Sent from my iPhone®<br>>> <br>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Walubengo J <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> <br>>>> @Ali,<br>>>> <br>>>> am not in government but I can deduce "their" position...Most African<br>>>> Government Positions in international ICT matters is as spelled out by<br>>>> ITU. It has worked well in some areas - such as enforcing international<br>>>> standards in telephony and radio frequencies.<br>>>> <br>>>> Am not sure the same approach would achieve similar success in matters<br>>>> purely Internet. But that does not mean that ITU will or should stop<br>>>> trying - particularly because telephony and other traditional<br>>>> telco-issues have indeed moved onto the internet platform and we
dont<br>>>> want the ITU ecosystem stranded in the 20th Century...we got to move<br>>>> with them.<br>>>> <br>>>> So until when we pass the Freedom of Information Bill , we shall<br>>>> continue to read the ITU lips/position in order to know what Kenya and<br>>>> the other big girls in Africa are thinking. However, Brasil, Rep S.A,<br>>>> India and China (BRIC countries ) were honest enough to state this (ITU)<br>>>> position loudly enough for everyone to hear during the last IGF meeting<br>>>> held in Nairobi 2011...<br>>>> <br>>>> On another related but domestic issue, our laws expect the National<br>>>> Communication Secretariate to be the conveyor of our National Position,<br>>>> but in practice (I stand to be corrected) it appears the Regulator<br>>>> through ITU gets to have the last say.<br>>>>
<br>>>> walu.<br>>>> <br>>>> --- On Mon, 6/4/12, Ali Hussein <<a ymailto="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> From: Ali Hussein <<a ymailto="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Is the UN (Read Governments) the Next Big Threat<br>>>> to Internet Freedom?<br>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="/mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>> Date: Monday, June 4, 2012, 7:15 PM<br>>>> <br>>>> Indeed. I'm abit surprised by the silence from CCK and other<br>>>>
Governmental Agencies on this issue. Does it mean we as a country do not<br>>>> have a position on this?<br>>>> <br>>>> Ali Hussein<br>>>> <br>>>> +254 773/713 601113<br>>>> <br>>>> Sent from my iPhone®<br>>>> <br>>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 5:04 PM, McTim <<a ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" href="/mc/compose?to=dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>>> Hi,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> This is not just about ICANN, the ITRs that will are being negotiated<br>>>>> in this process cover a whole gamut of Internet related things (such<br>>>>> as peering and interconnection), not just names and numbers (a la<br>>>>> ICANN).<br>>>>> <br>>>>> We should have something to say in the formulation of the Kenyan<br>>>>> position,
certainly.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Regards,<br>>>>> <br>>>>> McTim<br>>>>> <br>>>>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Ali Hussein <<a ymailto="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" href="/mc/compose?to=ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>> Listers<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Interesting article. A few weeks ago I raised the issue on Internet<br>>>> Freedom<br>>>>>> and Governance and asked whether our government has a position on<br>>>> this?<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threat-to-internet-freedom" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-01/is-the-un-the-next-big-threat-to-internet-freedom</a><br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> This article brings to the fore
the different voices that are<br>>>> advocating for<br>>>>>> two key positions:-<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> 1. Should the status quo remain? Where the key player ICANN (the<br>>>> Internet<br>>>>>> Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers), which is a private,<br>>>> U.S.-based<br>>>>>> nonprofit organization) exerts control over the fundamental levers<br>>>> and gears<br>>>>>> that underlie the Internet—including the domain-name system.<br>>>> Although ICANN<br>>>>>> says it operates on a multistakeholder model that involves such<br>>>> groups as<br>>>>>> the Internet Engineering Task Force and the World Wide Web<br>>>> Consortium, there<br>>>>>> has been a lot of criticism of the organization over the years, from<br>>>>>> allegations of
conflicts of interest to moves such as the recent<br>>>> expansion<br>>>>>> of the top-level domain system.<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> 2. Should the UN, through the ITU (international Telecommunications<br>>>> Union<br>>>>>> take over from ICANN? Critics including one of the “fathers of the<br>>>>>> Internet,†TCP/IP developer Vinton Cerf say putting control of the<br>>>> Net under<br>>>>>> the UN body would subject the Internet to the whims of many nations<br>>>> whose<br>>>>>> commitment to democracy and free speech is questionable at best,<br>>>> including<br>>>>>> China and Russia. Cerf, who is currently the chief Internet<br>>>> evangelist at<br>>>>>> Google, said the move would threaten the free and open nature of the<br>>>>>>
Internet:<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> As the Internet Community in Kenya do we have a position on this? The<br>>>> Kenya<br>>>>>> Government? CCK?<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Regards<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> --<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Telemedia Africa<br>>>>>> Azania Technology Group<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> P O Box 14556-00100<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Office: +254 737 751409<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Cell: +254 773/713 601113<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>>
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