<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>@Harry, <br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>The progress since your last question is rather good. I think the twitter handle and a facebook group page would add but the process of moving from e-mai. Is a blog also possible, that means we can keep a history of the discussions per title. E-mail isn't all great on that aspect. Anyone strong on this can be seconded or volunteer to take it up. <br></span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div>On my other point of a body, I still think there is a place for a formal body that is charged with governance and represents the industry including mobilizing resources. We don't need donors to hold a coffee round table as evidenced by Friday #140. Connected Kenya is a clear indication of the disharmony the players. Alternatively the bodies could be set up through KICTANet to
address different challenges - am careful to use the term task forces. <br><br>My one cent. <br> </div><div>Regards,<br><br></div><div>Patrick M. Karanja<br><br> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mutuota@yahoo.com <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 13, 2012 10:23 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!<br> </font> </div> <br>
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--></style><div><div class="yiv654319791WordSection1"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Hey Bob,</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Almost also felt so. In fact I suggest we asap get a kicktanet handle on twitter, plus get it on facebook like</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">yesterday. Most folks you can now find them here.. I suppose you/Walu are right on this aspect, - that the</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">new kids on the block might find how we
conduct things here, a bit old school to an extent..</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">I suppose if am any right, Kicktanet is supposed to be engagement, engagement and more engagement..</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Other ideas..? Sisters, mlihama…?</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Harry</span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";"> robert yawe [mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2012 2:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> harry@comtelsys.co.ke<br><b>Cc:</b> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"> </div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="color:black;">Harry,</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">We are ageing, email is loosing is lustre and the new generation hate records and prefer platforms like twitter and facebook.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">The responsibility for keeping the forum active remains with those over 35 year old who unfortunately are trying to fit in with the younger crowd.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">uuummmmm is there a way out of this loop.^C</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Regards </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696</span></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;"
align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></span></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke><br><b>To:</b> robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <br><b>Cc:</b> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 April 2012, 13:55<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div><div id="yiv654319791"><div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Ara..!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Not many people seriously want to rejuvenate this forum, as per Brian/Walubengo’s suggestion…?</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Cannot imagine the forum becoming a good case study one day for some thesis student. Whose research titles among others:-</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div style="margin-left:39.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“How-to-kill a good forum, kick it into the dustbin and leave it for the dead” </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div style="margin-left:39.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“The rise and rise, and fall and fall of a myriad of many ICT forums in Kenya, the major one being….</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div style="margin-left:39.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">“How-not-to build structural resilience and offer strategic leadership”. Why the big forum went M.I.A, and petered out..</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div style="margin-left:39.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D;">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">And the final one perhaps, “ Do not repeat the mistakes listed above, time for a RESET..”!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Certainly, unless otherwise – we might be headed for such a case study. Not sure if I should patent the titles, just in case..!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div
class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;">Harry</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"> </span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"
style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"sans-serif";color:black;"> kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Munyao Longwe<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> harry@comtelsys.co.ke<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!</span><span style="color:black;"></span></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">I think Walu is on the right track. Every organisation for-profit or not, has to reassess it's
strategy, relevance, business direction and thrust periodically or risk falling into the shadows.</span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Is it time for KICTAnet to do so?</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">As one of the founders and a trustee I think that the time has come.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">My 2
shillings,</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;"> </span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Brian</span></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Walubengo J <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><table class="yiv654319791MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;" valign="top"><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal">@Wash,<br><br>Maybe Delano is insinuating something. Perhaps KICTAnet needs to re-juvinate<br>and re-energize. Bring in new blood and thinking. What do we want from
KICTAnet, 8yrs later? What management structures, membership structures, operational, financial structures do we want to see going forward?<br><br>Perhaps a brainstorming face2face session is due. I for one have been the moderator since inception and maybe someone else can do a better job and we just have not asked them to come forth. Think about it - I could have run out of ideas or some younger <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://dot.com">dot.commer</a> may just be sitting on better ways of moderation that I have never imagined...<br><br>just my 2pings.<br><br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 4/11/12, Odhiambo Washington <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><br>From: Odhiambo Washington <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank"
href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kictanet alive.. kickin, or kicked into the dustbin...!<br>To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, April 11, 2012, 3:50 PM</div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"> </div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 14:59, Harry Delano <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>> wrote:</div></div><div><div><div><div
class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I’m not sure which is which, until I see some response on whether we might just as well happen to be drifting along rudderless…!!</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><br>You mean the post-Easter stupor, or??<br> </div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv654319791MsoNormal"><br>-- <br>Best regards,<br>Odhiambo WASHINGTON,<br>Nairobi,KE<br>+254733744121/+254722743223<br>_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <br>I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.<br><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#007F00;"><img id="yiv654319791_x005f_x0000_i1025" src="cid:1.3287044866@web164608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com" border="0" height="33" width="35">Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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