<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>No, I think one day we'll wake up and the rest of the world will have moved on. And yes at that point the demand for IPv6 consultants will be quite high and lucrative, so yay!.Today there is no reason for guys in Asia not to just come up with apps and devices that run on ipv6. An area that's often overlooked is M2M communication as an example. </div><div><br></div><div>Imagine an iphone4s-advanced that does only IPv6 made for the Asian market. Now also imagine your CEO goes there, buys it and wants it to work here. That's exactly what happened with blackberry. Long before its launch here, pressure came from top shot CEO's. If KQ and equity and all the big SP customers insisted They want IPv6, we'll get IPv6, create demand.</div><div><br></div><div>While we (africa) may still have Ipv4, not getting ready means we shall be the prime market for nat and other 'old school' translation devices. Remember internet is global, and its protocols have no respect for national boundaries. The fact is most vendors would like it if you stuck at v4, they will make more money from you later. Heck i will make more from you later. We will pay for our laziness. That's why I'm not worried. Either way it will work out. </div><div><br></div><div>* @wash no lir's won't withdraw v4, lir's are isp's, they cant do that. They should however Ensure everyone gets an ipv6 allocation. Infact call your ISP today and ask for ipv6 PI space. That should be the first step towards enlightenment. </div><div><br></div><div>If you don't know how it works, coordinate with teak for training. Or some private trainers. Call me:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Marketing departments should be yelling how v6 ready they are. It's a cheap shot but it will work. Business continuity demands ipv6. Come June on this years ipv6 day, there will be a lot more noise and push. Just keep watching that space.</div><div><br></div><div>Gitau<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 19 Mar 2012, at 22:43, Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>@JGitau,<br><br>Are you suggesting that one day, someone will just wake up and make the LIR's withdraw all IPs in the IPv4 address space, thus making businesses find themselves in a fix - the need to implement IPv6 like yesterday?<br>
I still think the "need" must be there, and be appreciated. You are in a better position to correct me.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 20:17, John Gitau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgitau@gmail.com">jgitau@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This has not and probably never will be a technical issue. I figured a way to get this to work. Wait for an 'emergency' consult for all the businesses that are note readying themselves for IPv6. make money.<br>
My take on this would be:<br>
<br>- The same way we are promoting .KE domains, each and every business heck throw in all clueful individuals should be handed an AS and a block of IPv6 by their favorite LIR.<br>- This will at least have some run on IPv6 internally. <br>
- Each of these businesses should force their service provider to route those IPv6 addresses. Everything including DNS should be handled by teh SP.<br>-If you have a site, insist it also be reachable via IPv6 as a customer. Service providers will take notice.<br>
-rework all your requirement documents to have IPv6.<br><br>as a technical guy; train on DNS alongside IPv6. <br><br>Gitau<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Wash,<br><br>Allow me to focus on the "RIR"- Regional Internet Registry (<a href="http://www.Afrinic.net" target="_blank">www.Afrinic.net</a>) questions since I have some affiliation there.<br>
<br>1. You are right that RIR should push this agenda and Afrinic has been doing so over the years by training techies across africa on IPv6. But the major problem as we discovered is really is NOT lack of technical IPv6 skills; it seems the IPv6 problem is more business rather than technical. Take Safaricom for example, with its 20m+ subscriber base, and with highly qualified Internet engineers, why dont they adopt and deploy IPv6 en-masse? Its a business call, the engineers are there and ready to deploy, the Business leaders may not be.<br>
<br>2. And then again, one cannot blame the Business leaders. Business leaders make the call for IPv6, if the customer demands. But really, a customer has never seen
and does NOT want an IPv4 number, let alone an IPv6 number. Its none of their business. So we have a chicken and egg problem, Business leader waiting for customer to demand, customer will never demand for IPv6.<br><br>
3. Preferred solution. Stumble across an IPv6 Killer application. Something that runs (purely) on IPv6 and is popular. This would then force Telcos to go in that direction. Unfortunately this magic bullet application does not exist, and is likely not to exist because of deliberate effort to interoperate v4 and v6.<br>
<br>4. Current Solution. For regions e.g Asia Pacific, Europe and soon USA, where IPv4 is (getting) depleted. They have been forced to adopt IPv6. And this answers you last issue - staying ahead. These folks will be "staying ahead" in terms of IPv6 experience/deployement/knowhow. They will enjoy 1st mover advantages that Africa will be buying from them in years ahead.<br>
<br>walu.<br><br><br><br><br><br>--- On
<b>Mon, 3/19/12, Odhiambo Washington <i><<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>><div><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Status of IPv6 deployment in Kenya<br>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div>Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:46 PM<div><div>
<br><br><div>Hi Walu,<br><br>What was the mandate of the Kenyan IPv6 Task Force? I hope it's not just another boardroom Task Force.<br><br>I saw the following on FaceBook yesterday:<br><h6 style="font-weight:normal">
<font><span>"When Asia trained engineers Africa trained experts in debate. Can't fix roads by simply organizing stakeholder consultations."</span></font></h6>It can be further said that we can't fix IPv6 by simply appointing Task Forces. Let me explain why.<br>
The adoption of IPv6 should be driven, first by need, then by the entities responsible for assigning the IPs. I think it should be that simple. I still don't see why it needed a Task Force.<br><br>Let me look at this from the simplest terms:<br>
<br>I think the pace of adoption does not have to be driven by pressure from other sides of the planet, but by the RIRs, but still based on need. An RIR may shout from the rooftops that they have depleted their IPv4 space, but "allocation" and "assignment" are two different things, right?<br>
They may be over with their allocation, while the entities allocated those IPs haven't assigned all of them, and are still comfortable. Now, does the RIR start forcing the entities (mostly ISPs) to start using their IPv6 allocations? No.<br>
<br>Time will come when the IPv6 space will start being utilized.<br><br>I don't see how the deployment of IPv6 makes us "stay ahead"of anyone though. It's just an IP address. Staying ahead depends on economic factors, no?<br>
<br><br><br><div>On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:28, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
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Paul/Barrack,<br><br>I agree, dismal performance. And to imagine the rest of East Africa expects us to be leading on this front, it is truly a shameful performance. And that reminds me, the PS Ndemo did inaugurated the Kenyan IPv6 Task force 2yrs ago - of which I am a member but I will not name the others for security reasons <img src="cid:"><br>
<br>Perhaps, there could be some synergy with the ISOC_Ke guys on this to make sure Kenya stays in the forefront of promoting IPv6 usage.<br><br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 3/19/12, Barrack Otieno <i><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Barrack Otieno <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:16 PM<div><div><br><br><div>Thanks Paul.<div><br></div><div>Looking forwad to the ISOC_ke IP V6 program under your leadership.</div><div><br></div><div>Best Regards<br><br><div>
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Paul M <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=paulitrix@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulitrix@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><br clear="all"><div>Take a look at this page. Gives revealing but dismal statistics over the state of IPv6 in Kenya. </div>
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