<html><body><div style="color:; background-color:; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>+1 </span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Never thought the day will come when I will use that</span></div><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div> <br> <div>----- Original Message -----<br> From: Suraj Shah <suraj@surajshah.co.ke><br> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<br> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 12:58<br> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br> <br>KIF, of which the Late Evelyn Rono and myself were former committee members,<br>has lapsed into a state of coma. In Dec 2010 we had elections and did<br>handover office to new office bearers. However, KIF had
funding issues -<br>where it became unsustainable, to the point where the committee members were<br>forking personal money to pay for basic monthly expenses. Even though the<br>organisation did some very good work representing the ICT private sector's<br>views and input into the Communications Act etc, it was difficult to get<br>members to renew membership and support the organisation. You will find<br>this as the case with most umbrella bodies - members want services for free<br>and only recognise the importance when it suits them. If enough companies<br>are serious on this forum about this issue ("put your money where your<br>mouth"), KIF can be revived from its slumber.<br><br>Suraj<br><br><br>On 3/12/12 12:03 PM, "Francis Hook" <<a ymailto="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com" href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT
Federation<br>> (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all<br>> ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which itself has other non-ICT<br>> bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),<br>> etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the<br>> top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers<br>> assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.<br>> <br>> I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward<br>> between 2006 and 2009...<br>> <br>> Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership<br>> structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?<br>> <br>> On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Short version:<br>>> <br>>> 1)
Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT<br>>> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts to transform into<br>>> a body representing IT businesses have failed...<br>>> <br>>> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his<br>>> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...<br>>> <br>>> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no<br>>> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them<br>>> <br>>> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that<br>>> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should<br>>> listen...<br>>> <br>>> Have a great week folk!<br>>> <br>>> Brian<br>>> <br>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <<a ymailto="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com"
href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> But what does the society do? Does it do any publicity? Engage the<br>>>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <<a ymailto="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?<br>>>>> <br>>>>> If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Computer Society sounds do nineties.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information Technology<br>>>>> / Services firms.<br>>>>> <br>>>>> On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <<a ymailto="mailto:agostal@gmail.com"
href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> I think we end up with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen<br>>>>>> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> Thanks<br>>>>>> <br>>>>>> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>> @ Brian,<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that we<br>>>>>>> need an<br>>>>>>> entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation<br>>>>>>> exists,<br>>>>>>> its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of
you<br>>>>>>> have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an<br>>>>>>> individual<br>>>>>>> person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your<br>>>>>>> interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO<br>>>>>>> refuses to<br>>>>>>> join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being<br>>>>>>> part of<br>>>>>>> KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative to<br>>>>>>> Evelyn<br>>>>>>> which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search<br>>>>>>> result.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> If you have an
issue with the current office bearers then use your<br>>>>>>> democratic right to replace them, if you have issues with the name<br>>>>>>> then<br>>>>>>> again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full it<br>>>>>>> does<br>>>>>>> not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but<br>>>>>>> before<br>>>>>>> you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your<br>>>>>>> subscriptions<br>>>>>>> BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being<br>>>>>>> repeated by<br>>>>>>> the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> 1. Stop asking the
government to do for us, it will never happen (na<br>>>>>>> omba<br>>>>>>> serikali)<br>>>>>>> 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new<br>>>>>>> dispensation<br>>>>>>> (we need new laws)<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the<br>>>>>>> constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which<br>>>>>>> means that<br>>>>>>> you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle<br>>>>>>> (had to<br>>>>>>> mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and read<br>>>>>>> in its<br>>>>>>> entirety.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution
reading forum, after<br>>>>>>> which I<br>>>>>>> am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has<br>>>>>>> changed and<br>>>>>>> you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The<br>>>>>>> constitution<br>>>>>>> is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if not<br>>>>>>> being<br>>>>>>> recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of<br>>>>>>> us<br>>>>>>> where busy in the cloud.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I<br>>>>>>> could get<br>>>>>>> you the document in audio version.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Regards<br>>>>>>>
<br>>>>>>> Robert Yawe<br>>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>>>>>>> Kenya<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>>>>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>>> To: robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>>>>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44<br>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Hi all<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at Robert<br>>>>>>> Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has raised.<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we<br>>>>>>> please<br>>>>>>> do our homework before we post scalding remarks?<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those who<br>>>>>>> were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult
to<br>>>>>>> simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their home<br>>>>>>> page? It simply states:<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, with<br>>>>>>> a<br>>>>>>> membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership<br>>>>>>> Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations �<br>>>>>>> and is still growing. "<br>>>>>>> <br>>>>>>> Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -<br>>>>>>> allowing various sectoral and professional "Business Membership<br>>>>>>> Organisations" to Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>>>>>>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmai"
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