<html><body><div style="color:; background-color:; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>They are already members of KEPSA</span></div><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div> <br> <div>----- Original Message -----<br> From: Gilda Odera <godera@skyweb.co.ke><br> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk<br> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br> Sent: Monday, 12 March 2012, 12:26<br> Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br> <br>There is a newly formed society- Kenya IT Outsourcing Society (KITOS). The chairperson is Tej Bedi and other board members include Amolo Ng'weno, Munjal Shah (of Techobrain) amongst others.<br>I suggest you check it out with them, it may be the vehicle to get in and run with.<br><br>Gilda<br><br>-----
Original Message ----- From: "Agosta Liko" <<a ymailto="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke" href="mailto:godera@skyweb.co.ke">godera@skyweb.co.ke</a>><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:21 PM<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br><br><br>Is there any ICT org that is active... Or alive<br><br>Who rans KIF ?<br><br>On 3/12/12, Francis Hook <<a ymailto="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com" href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Instead of saying "KEPSA" - lets instead use Kenya ICT Federation<br>> (KIF) which in my understanding is the umbrella body to represent all<br>> ICT bodies/associations at KEPSA (which
itself has other non-ICT<br>> bodies like KAM, KTA, the flower and horticulture producers (?),<br>> etcetc). Some ICT associations are now defunct or obsolete - off the<br>> top of my head I think they included Tespok, Kenya telecom dealers<br>> assoc., cyber cafe operators, csk, ITSA (standards), Kenic etc.<br>> <br>> I think KIF can be credited with moving a few ICT issues forward<br>> between 2006 and 2009...<br>> <br>> Do we really want to form YET another ICT body with unclear leadership<br>> structures, funding mechanisms and most of all unclear mandate?<br>> <br>> On 12 March 2012 10:23, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Short version:<br>>> <br>>> 1) Computer Society of Kenya aka CSK originated as an association of IT<br>>> Managers and existed as such for many years - it's efforts
to transform<br>>> into<br>>> a body representing IT businesses have failed...<br>>> <br>>> 2) If Mr Yawe has been part of KEPSA for as long as he claims then his<br>>> deliberate attempts to misinform this forum leave a bad taste...<br>>> <br>>> 3) If technology business owners/entrepreneurs feel that they have no<br>>> representative body and want to form one - thumbs up to them<br>>> <br>>> 4) If Government say that as far as they know no there is no entity that<br>>> they feel represents technology business/entrepreneurs, then people should<br>>> listen...<br>>> <br>>> Have a great week folk!<br>>> <br>>> Brian<br>>> <br>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Rad! <<a ymailto="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com" href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> <br>>>> But what does the society do?
Does it do any publicity? Engage the<br>>>> community? Perhaps new leadership and ideas are called for.<br>>>> <br>>>> <br>>>> On Monday, March 12, 2012, S.M. Muraya <<a ymailto="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> > Can it be renamed ICT Society of Kenya?<br>>>> ><br>>>> > If not, should an ICT Society not be formed?<br>>>> ><br>>>> > Computer Society sounds do nineties.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > Nowadays, most major vendors label themselves as Information > Technology<br>>>> > / Services firms.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > On Mar 12, 2012 8:47 AM, "Agosta Liko" <<a ymailto="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> >><br>>>> >> I think we end up
with a very simple task... Join and then strengthen<br>>>> >> the Computer Society of Kenya and then lobby and organise from there<br>>>> >><br>>>> >> Thanks<br>>>> >><br>>>> >> On 3/12/12, robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>>> >> > @ Brian,<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Thank you for the support to my post & I also agree with you that >> > we<br>>>> >> > need an<br>>>> >> > entity to represent our interests, fortunately such an organisation<br>>>> >> > exists,<br>>>> >> > its called The Computer Society of Kenya" for which many of you<br>>>> >> > have preferred to lambaste and ignore it.<br>>>> >>
><br>>>> >> > Just a quick clarification Brian, KEPSA allows you to join as an<br>>>> >> > individual<br>>>> >> > person or corporate entity if there is no BMO that represents your<br>>>> >> > interests, your BMO refuses to present your issues or your BMO<br>>>> >> > refuses to<br>>>> >> > join KEPSA. Just for your information, I had the privilege of being<br>>>> >> > part of<br>>>> >> > KEPSA's activities for over 3 years as the unofficial alternative >> > to<br>>>> >> > Evelyn<br>>>> >> > which gives me a more stable foot to stand on than a google search<br>>>> >> > result.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > If you have an issue with the current office bearers then use your<br>>>> >> > democratic right
to replace them, if you have issues with the name<br>>>> >> > then<br>>>> >> > again practice your constitution right and change it, if you full >> > it<br>>>> >> > does<br>>>> >> > not fully represent your interests then define your interests, but<br>>>> >> > before<br>>>> >> > you can do any of this things you first must join and pay your<br>>>> >> > subscriptions<br>>>> >> > BMO - Business "Membership" Organisation.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > I wish we would all concentrate on two issues that kept being<br>>>> >> > repeated by<br>>>> >> > the 3 men older than me who where on the panel.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > 1. Stop asking the government to do for us, it will never happen<br>>>> >>
> (na<br>>>> >> > omba<br>>>> >> > serikali)<br>>>> >> > 2. Read the new constitution and get up to speed on the new<br>>>> >> > dispensation<br>>>> >> > (we need new laws)<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > All the issues raised at the session are already addressed in the<br>>>> >> > constitution which fortunately cannot be posted as a tweet which<br>>>> >> > means that<br>>>> >> > you need to down load the entire document, I have it on my Kindle<br>>>> >> > (had to<br>>>> >> > mention that), onto those fancy devices we walk around with and >> > read<br>>>> >> > in its<br>>>> >> > entirety.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Maybe what we need is a marathon constitution reading
forum, after<br>>>> >> > which I<br>>>> >> > am sure we shall appreciate the fact that the playing field has<br>>>> >> > changed and<br>>>> >> > you and I have had responsibility thrust into our faces. The<br>>>> >> > constitution<br>>>> >> > is already being changed as we write and as we tweet our input if<br>>>> >> > not<br>>>> >> > being<br>>>> >> > recorded. Dr. Ndemo kept repeating the issue but as usually many of<br>>>> >> > us<br>>>> >> > where busy in the cloud.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > For those of you who have an aversion to reading talk to me and I<br>>>> >> > could get<br>>>> >> > you the document in audio version.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> >
Regards<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Robert Yawe<br>>>> >> > KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>>> >> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>>> >> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>>>> >> > Kenya<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----<br>>>> >> > From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> >> > To: robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>>> >> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>>> >> > Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012, 21:44<br>>>> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] 140Friday. . . and I wept<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Hi all<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > First of all, let me say that this response is NOT targeted at<br>>>> >> > Robert<br>>>> >> > Yawe - though it addresses one of the main issues that he has<br>>>> >> > raised.<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > I have said it here before and I will say it once again. Can we<br>>>> >> > please<br>>>> >> > do our homework before we post scalding remarks?<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Have we so quickly forgotten the genesis of KEPSA? And for those >> >
who<br>>>> >> > were not there when KEPSA was being originated, is it so difficult<br>>>> >> > to<br>>>> >> > simply visit their website and read the first paragraph on their<br>>>> >> > home<br>>>> >> > page? It simply states:<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > "KEPSA is the apex body and single voice of the private sector, >> > with<br>>>> >> > a<br>>>> >> > membership that comprises more than 60 Business Membership<br>>>> >> > Organisations (BMOs) and in excess of 180 corporate organizations –<br>>>> >> > and is still growing. "<br>>>> >> ><br>>>> >> > Essentially - KEPSA's original purpose was to be an umbrella body -<br>>>> >> > allowing various sectoral and professional "Business
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