Robert has brought up pertinent issues that need to and will be addressed.<br><br>Raising the challenges as insurmountable or as impossibilities is what we do not buy.<br><br>Kenya certainly needs more Business / Technology Parks (if not Cities) in various parts of Kenya to serve diverse interests.<br>
<br>In Kisumu... Kakamega / Bungoma, Eldoret / Kericho, Nakuru / Naivasha etc.. etc..<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:39 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Robert,<br>
Had we hired you as PCK Chief with this kind of pessimism, the<br>
organization will be on its knees. �I see no reason for celebrating<br>
contradictions of our policy makers. �We have traveled this road before<br>
and came through. �You recall the registration of Teams that almost<br>
derailed the entire process.<br>
<br>
Our culture lets us down in every aspect. �We treasure negativity and pray<br>
that one falls in every positive step that is made. �When Confucious said,<br>
" a journey of 1,000 miles starts with one step", he meant that that you<br>
should not look at the challenges of covering the 1,000 miles but the<br>
opportunities of moving at least one step. �Yes we have seen white<br>
elephants but that does not mean we don't try.<br>
<br>
Two of the world's outsourcing companies have been around searching for<br>
real estate to rent. �Two months there is not one building in Nairobi that<br>
meets international standards. �Large buildings have only one fire escape<br>
that if there was fire, people will die not from fire but because there is<br>
no exit. �Just look at any ceiling to check if there are water sprinklers.<br>
�Some fancy buildings have only one toilet in a floor that accomodates<br>
more than 300 people. �I could say more..<br>
<br>
Konza is not in any threat. �This is our future where we shall create not<br>
only employment but a safe work environment. �I would bet that Robert will<br>
be among the first to seek opportunities at Konza.<br>
<br>
In the same paper that Robert extracted the Konza story from there was<br>
another story about the rise of rental cost in China. �A clear opportunity<br>
for us to start offering affordable destination and making it competitive<br>
through partnership in capacity development (Read Carnigue Mellon<br>
University Partnership).<br>
<br>
Honestly as liberal I have said to myself that I will never intervere with<br>
my daughter's choice of boyfriend but if I find her with Robert's son, I<br>
will talk her out of it. �Robert if you continue like this, you will make<br>
a bad father in law.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Konza = public land = freeze by Orengo = national lands commissioner =<br>
> spanner in the works<br>
><br>
</div>> <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html%C3%82" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539552/1323050/-/56yje2z/-/index.html�</a>�<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Robert Yawe<br>
> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
> Kenya<br>
><br>
><br>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> �From: Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
> To: 'robert yawe' <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 11:06<br>
> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Robert<br>
</div>> <br>
> I can’t argue with your points…<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> We need realists. However having said that the suggestion would be to not<br>
> shy aware from such developments but to ensure that mechanisms are put in<br>
</div>> place that we don’t have another Buruburu, Dandora on our hands.<br>
> <br>
> Guys, it’s good to be skeptical but its better still to offer solutions<br>
> to avoid such eventualities. That’s why Risk Management will be a<br>
<div class="im">> critical aspect of such potentially paradigm shifting endeavors.<br>
</div>> <br>
<div class="im">> Robert, we need your contrarian view points. Please do not lose that..<br>
</div>> <br>
> PS. I am old enough to know what happened in Eastlands…J<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Ali Hussein|Managing Partner<br>
><br>
> Telemedia Africa<br>
> Azania Technology Group<br>
> Chaka Court, Argwings Kodhek Road<br>
</div>> P O Box 14556-00100<br>
<div class="im">> +254 773/713 601113<br>
> Nairobi, Kenya<br>
</div>> <br>
> <br>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
> Skype: abu-jomo<br>
> <br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> From:robert yawe [mailto:<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>]<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 AM<br>
> To: Ali Hussein<br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
</div>> <br>
> Hussein,<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Interesting that you bring up Buru Buru where I lived from the age of 5<br>
> years, when there where picket fences, kids swings, slides and nanny<br>
> parks, until I left at the age of 18 when there were 7 foot stone fences<br>
> with broken glass toppings, churches and bars in the places where I once<br>
> swung, metal sheet granny houses and even entire houses demolished and<br>
</div>> replaced with beacon to beacon multi story structures.<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Living in Buru Buru & going to school in Eastleigh I commuted from 1st<br>
> Avenue, through Juja Road and then down Outer Ring Road watching the<br>
</div>> landscape change. I watched as Huruma went from a lovely middle class<br>
<div class="im">> development to what it is today, Dandora transformed from a well thought<br>
> out cluster development to the multi story structures you see today and<br>
> then Umoja which well there is nothing to explain it.<br>
</div>> <br>
<div class="im">> All this happened right under the nose of a President, UNEP, Habitat, City<br>
> Council of Nairobi, AAK, ISK, IEK, UON, Ministry of Housing, Ministry of<br>
> Public Health, Ministry of Public Works, Parliament, Kenya Airforce and<br>
</div>> many others who could have stopped the carnage. <br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Go to the areas around Konza, or just read the classifieds in the dailies,<br>
> and watch the subdivision of plots from the initial seven acre parcels to<br>
</div>> plots of as small as an eight of an acre (50 x 100). We are already<br>
<div class="im">> replicating Nairobi only that now it is being done in reverse, beginning<br>
> with the surrounding slums and hopefully end with the glassy skyscrapers.<br>
</div>> <br>
> <br>
> The road to Konza shall be literally lined with slums and shanties, then<br>
<div class="im">> we shall have proposals to allow helipads, overpasses, windowless high<br>
> speed trains and overhead cable cars to get the investors in and out of<br>
> the technopolis without exposing them to the unsightly developments.<br>
</div>> <br>
<div class="im">> Also lets not forget that we have been unable to handle national projects<br>
> to date yet we had a central government, come sometime in August 2013 we<br>
> shall have 47 little governments all with their specific interests and<br>
> agendas, what is the likelihood that Konza will get the support required<br>
> to make it work?<br>
</div>> <br>
<div class="im">> Imagine Buru Buru happened to an estate that was fully developed, I saw it<br>
> and you and many might be too young to have lived through<br>
</div>> the destruction of a brilliant project but I was, so maybe you can now<br>
<div class="im">> better understand my skepticism when it comes to our ability as a nation<br>
</div>> to control the development of a 5,000 acre piece of empty piece land.<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> I am not a pessimist I am a realist, let the dreamers prove me wrong when<br>
> I have history backing my position.<br>
</div>> <br>
> Regards<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Robert Yawe<br>
> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
> Kenya<br>
> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
><br>
> From:Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
> To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:02<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
</div>> <br>
> Robert<br>
> <br>
> I would like to be more optimistic about Konza. <br>
<div class="im">><br>
> What you are describing is a Buruburu type land grab and I'm sure that<br>
> isn't what was intended for Konza.<br>
</div>> <br>
<div class="im">> Have some faith my brother... In fact I think Robert there is room for<br>
> speculation... Though I suspect not in the way we are used to... Think<br>
> Speculation 3.0 with a dash of new tech... :)<br>
</div>> <br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> Ali Hussein<br>
> Managing Partner<br>
> Telemedia Africa<br>
</div>> Azania Technology Group <br>
> +254 773/713 601113<br>
> <br>
<div class="im">> "You generally hear that what a man doesn't know doesn't hurt him, but in<br>
</div>> business what a man doesn't know does hurt.". - E. St. Elmo Lewis,<br>
<div class="im">> member, Advertising Hall of Fame<br>
><br>
> On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:14 PM, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> @Walu,<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to<br>
</div>>> an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public. The<br>
<div class="im">>> statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the<br>
>> plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for<br>
>> the way forward as relates to government land.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the<br>
>> land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up<br>
>> a campus in Konza on a 20 acre plot the government would have to tender<br>
>> for its sell.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as<br>
</div>>> we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card. We will then<br>
<div class="im">>> offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject the<br>
>> offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with<br>
</div>>> views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports. <br>
>> <br>
<div class="im">>>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100<br>
</div>>> and sell them to the public to recover our investment. Visit the area<br>
<div class="im">>> around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a<br>
>> living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year<br>
</div>>> 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. <br>
>> <br>
<div class="im">>>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to<br>
>> relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift Valley Province.<br>
</div>>> The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate,<br>
<div class="im">>> what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we<br>
>> know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with<br>
>> hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors<br>
>> who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into<br>
>> a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become<br>
>> stores.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but<br>
>> Konza will be a still birth.<br>
</div>>> <br>
>> <br>
<div class="im">>>What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for<br>
>> us?<br>
</div>>> will the land be sold to prospective investors<br>
<div class="im">>> better known as speculators or leased to investors?<br>
</div>>> will the government allocate the land to<br>
>> prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?<br>
>> how long will it take to develop the<br>
<div class="im">>> infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water,<br>
>> sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the<br>
>> road?<br>
</div>>> when the infrastructure is complete and the land<br>
<div class="im">>> allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?<br>
</div>>> if the first tenant moves in sometime around 2030<br>
<div class="im">>> will the concept still be viable?<br>
</div>>> is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and<br>
>> the Maldives sleeping?<br>
>> once Raila becomes President, after beating a<br>
<div class="im">>> joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will<br>
>> allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead<br>
>> of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an<br>
>> International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak<br>
>> fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is<br>
</div>>> a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him<br>
<div class="im">>> their vote as a block?<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players<br>
</div>>> i.e. treasury, ministry of information, ministry of lands, AG's<br>
<div class="im">>> Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President the<br>
</div>>> project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy<br>
>> advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a<br>
<div class="im">>> substantial participant in the project.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up<br>
>> a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire<br>
>> self sufficient campus.<br>
</div>>> <br>
>>Regards<br>
>> <br>
>>PS. China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other<br>
<div class="im">>> projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of<br>
>> a City.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box<br>
>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
>><br>
>>________________________________<br>
>><br>
>>From:Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>
>>To: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>>Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04<br>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
</div>>> <br>
>>@Yawe,<br>
>><br>
>>u seem to b on the inside loop on this one. Konza City, scuttled? I<br>
<div class="im">>> had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need<br>
>> guidance on what next?<br>
>><br>
>>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international<br>
>> stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?<br>
>><br>
>>walu.<br>
>><br>
>>--- On Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br>
>>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
>>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM<br>
>>Listers,<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to<br>
>> institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in<br>
>> computer science and the like.<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div class="im">>>This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run<br>
</div>>> on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project, <br>
<div class="im">>> <br>
>>We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the<br>
</div>>> past 3 decades have been done by enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng<br>
>> recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any<br>
>> time soon.<br>
>> <br>
>>KICT eat in peace.<br>
>> <br>
>>Regards<br>
>> <br>
>>PS. Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our<br>
>> time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans. <br>
<div class="im">>> <br>
>>Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box<br>
>> 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
>><br>
>>________________________________<br>
>><br>
>>From:Agosta Liko <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>To: <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>>Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00<br>
>>Subject: [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br>
</div>>> <br>
<div><div class="h5">>>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational<br>
>> Institution<br>
>><br>
>>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to<br>
>> launch a Kenyan software development certification<br>
>><br>
>>:)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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