<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Liko/Listers,<br><br>Just recieved some authoritative position on the above. Yes, we are not (yet) blacklisted. We are however, grey-listed, meaning some payment solution providers will not touch our digital space. In this instance, PayPal is one such solution provider. Am informed Paypal's operations in the Kenyan space has been limited to only "recieve-money" from Kenya but never "pay-out money" to Kenya. From their recent financial risk-profile review, they have downgraded Kenya nd now stopped BOTH recieve and pay operations.<br><br>Ofcourse other payment solution providers continue operations - however, this is not a good sign. It is similar to those travel-advisories. If you get one against you from US, sooner rather than later, you will recieve another one from UK and subsequently EU...(you get the
drift)<br><br>So Liko and other eCommerce operators, plse dont wait untill everyone has flagged down Kenya before you do something about it.<br><br>walu.<br>btw: my earlier speculations on the reasons behind this turn of events seems to be quite close to the mark.<br>--- On <b>Wed, 2/8/12, Agosta Liko <i><agostal@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards<br>To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2012, 11:58 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1839440131">Walu<br><br>Please check with Isaca for the reason. ePayment providers usually will make decisions to not cover some areas or clients ... This does not mean that Kenya has been blacklisted.<br><br>I
have made calls and all local processors are processing cards ok<br>
<br>You can test out your card (Visa/Mastercard) here<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nairobimarathon.com/">http://www.nairobimarathon.com/</a> - donate 500 to Seeing is Believing<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://rupu.co.ke/">http://rupu.co.ke/</a> and buy one of those daily deals. They have killer discounts<br>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://umba.co.ke/">http://umba.co.ke/</a> --- has good quality household stuff<br><br>Also, I would not mind an inbox of management at Isaca Kenya ... We can process for them payments :)<br><br>Thanks<br><br><br>
<br><div class="yiv1839440131gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1839440131gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit; -x-system-font: none;" valign="top">Yeah,<br><br>I do have a similar notice from <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.isaca.org">www.isaca.org</a> - Liko, these are serious Info-Security guys and I cant shoot them ;-) They have suspended online renewals from members of the local Kenyan Chapter <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.isaca.or.ke">www.isaca.or.ke</a> (because the Kenyan digital space has recently been flagged as "Not Supported" by their ePayment provider)<br>
<br>I believe the blacklisting is really grey-lisiting i.e. blacklisting by highly sensitive e_payment providers. But I think someone in government and private sector needs to escalate this before we get a blanket blacklisting from the international community.<br>
<br>My wild guess(no evidence yet) is that maybe the war in somalia (is stimulating al-shabaab e-Transactions), piracy returns in the horn of africa and the hugely succefull MPESA e-Transactions could be regarded as being used by similar
elements and therefore conspiring towards having us on the international watch-list as far as epayments is concerned.<br><br>walu.<br> <br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 2/7/12, Anderson Levi <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:anderson.levi@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=anderson.levi@gmail.com">anderson.levi@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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</div><br><br><div>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>The local authentication has been active for over 2 years now, the SMS thing is what the USA is now trying to implement after seeing the success of Safaricom.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I believe the issue of rejected transactions has to do with cards issued by certain banks.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Regards</span></div><div> </div><div>Robert Yawe
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> James Mbugua <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=jgmbugua@gmail.com">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 15:06<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Kenya Blacklisted?- Paypal, Credit Cards<br> </font> </div><div><div> <br><div>There is talk now of introducing locally, owner authentification through mobile so that if your card is swiped or used, before the
transaction goes through, you get an SMS asking you to authorize the transaction.<div><br></div>
<div>Not sure where the initiative is currently.</div><div><br></div><div>JG</div><div><br><div>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:51 PM, lordmwesh <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Just bought a book Yesterday from amazon,and they had no issue.<br><br>But I gather that international companies don't value the African market so much since the sales revenue are too low, yet risk of business through fraud is high. Credit card fraud is rampant in Africa and it's hard to apprehend the suspects. The legal and geographic boundaries make it hard to apprehend crooks.<br>
<br>Ideally, If anybody lays hands on your CC or debit card, they can do online shopping with it. And card cloning and identity theft is rampant in Africa because most of us don't know the consequences. If the owner complains of the theft and purchase, he is entitled to a cash refund. So someone has to cushion the losses.<br>
<br>Often we let petrol station and supermarket attendants dissapear with out CC. Do we know what they are doing with it?<br>
<br><br>Regards<br><br><div><div><div>On 7 February 2012 13:26, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mc/compose?to=jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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Liko, others,<br><br>Might you be in the know on the above issues? Just got wind that that international players are no longer respecting e-Transactions completed in kenya via Credit Cards issued and used in Kenyan digital space?<br>
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