Yawe,<br><br>I applaud your courageous departure from the popular group think. Your discourse raises pertinent issues. The on-going Konza adverts have created a lot of buzz among Kenyans. I concur with your view that there is need to take an objective look at this project. In my view the analogy of Westgate shopping Mall and Konza is rather far fetched. My understanding of the Konza City project is that it is larger in scope and size than the SMART Village in Cairo or the Smart City in Dubai. Yawe has introduced a new twist in our perceived competitive advantage being our human resource. Do we have adequate ICT Skilled manpower to compete favorable in a the ICT Global arena? HR will be one of the key considerations for any FDI in the Konza City. That politics and economic development are intertwined is a fact that cannot be overlooked in this project. <br>
<br>Etinick Mutinda<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Yawe,<br><br>Ok. Now I read you. You are truly the devil's advocate that we need. I like the "Lakeview Technopolis" idea, I think it is viable option - irrespective of who is President ;-) And in any case, why not have the two Cities- "the silicon Savanah" together with "the silicon Nyanza".<br>
<br>As for the rest of your questions - I guess there are folks on the lists who can give us the answers. I believe they are pertinent and worthy of an answer or two.<br><br>regards.<br><br>walu.<div class="im"><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 2/7/12, robert yawe <i><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br>
To: "Walubengo J" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><div class="im"><br>Cc:
"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div>Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 3:14 PM<div><div class="h5">
<br><br><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div style="font-family:times,serif;font-size:12pt"><span>@Walu,</span></div><div style="font-family:times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<span><br></span></div><div><span><font size="3">In short what the AG said was that government land cannot be assigned to an individual or entity but must be offered to the general public. The statement was initially targeted at the Airtel/Postal/IBM deal of the plot opposite Yaya Centre but it spoke volumes as it gave a precedent for the way forward as relates to government land.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div>Konza is government land and is and will be governed by the law of the
land as relates to such resource, therefore if Microsoft wanted to put up a campus in Konza on a 20
acre plot the government would have to tender for its sell.</div><div><br></div><div>At which point Yawe and Co-speculators Inc. will tender and likely win as we shall play the nationalist, county and tribe card. We will then offer the same land to Microsoft at an inflated price who will reject the offer and opt to locate to the Lakeview Techno City next to RIAT with views from the largest fresh water lake offering water sports. </div>
<div><br></div><div>My group and I will then subdivide the 20 acres into broty of 50 x 100 and sell them to the public to recover our investment. Visit the area around Bamburi and London Distillers in Athi River/Mavoko area for a living and breathing example of what Konza will look like by the year 2020, it is even more pronounced from GoogleEarth. </div>
<div><br></div><div>That was the initial location of the EPZ before it was felt necessary to relocate the same 2 kilometres down the road into Rift
Valley Province. The architect of that relocation is an aspiring presidential candidate, what stops him from relocating Konza if he wins the election?</div><div><br></div><div>Let us not blind ourselves to the reality and return to the Kenya we know, the EPZ continues to struggle many years later, JKIA remains with hundreds of empty plots still being held onto by prospective investors who where allocated the land over 30 years ago, Baba Dogo is turning into a large residential area and the KIE sheds in Industrial Area have become stores.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Runda Closeburn will definitely fly, Tatu will limp along for a while but Konza will be a still birth.</div><div><br></div><div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span><font size="3">What is the strategy for Konza and can someone answer these questions for us?</font></span></div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>will the land
be sold to
prospective investors better known as speculators or leased to investors?<br></div><div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>will the government allocate the land to prospective investors a.k.a Karurarists?</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>how long will it take to develop the infrastructure noting that Nairobi still cannot provide sufficient water, sewerage services and electricity to its residents 200 years down the road?</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>when the infrastructure is complete and the land allocated how long will it be before the first tenant moves in?</font></span></div><div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>if the first tenant moves in sometime
around 2030 will the concept still be
viable?</font></span></div><div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>is the rest of Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and the Maldives sleeping?</font></span></div><div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>once Raila becomes President, after beating a joint force of Kalonzo, Uhuru & Ruto, what is the likelihood that he will allow that level of national resources to be spent in that region instead of relocate the same to for example Nyanza where there is already an International Airport, is closer to Southern Sudan, the residents speak fluent english plus has english like names to boot, it is a marginalized county (highest child mortality rate) and it gave him their vote as a block?</font></span></div>
<div><br></div><div><font size="3">Until we get a comprehensive report from the various players i.e. </font>treasury<font size="3">, ministry of
information, ministry of lands, AG's Chambers, local government, county representatives and the President the project shall remain as dead as a dodo irrespective of how many flashy advertisements are run by a sub-entity of a sub-entity of a substantial participant in the project.</font></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div>Walu, in your case which ever way it goes nothing affects your setting up a lab, but if I was the University I would look at putting up an entire self sufficient campus.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>PS. China government is to build 1000 houses in Kisumu plus any other projects that they deem necessary to giving Kisumu the status becoming of a City.</div><div style="font-family:times,serif;font-size:12pt">
</div><div style="font-family:times,serif;font-size:12pt">Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 11:04<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...Konza City?<br> </font> </div> <br><div><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">@Yawe,<br><br>u seem to b on the
inside loop on this one. Konza City, scuttled? I had advised my boss to book a university lab there and now I might need guidance on what next? <br><br>And thats me as a local stakeholder, what of the international stakeholders - what would they make of your statement?<br>
<br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 2/6/12, robert yawe <i><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16,16,255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 5:25 PM<br><br><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"><span>Listers,</span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"><span><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"><span>Are we seriously having this discussion, please leave certification to institutes of education such as Universities who already issue degrees in computer science and the like.</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"><span><br></span></div><div><span><font size="3">This is just another tax guzzling scheme like the Konza adverts being run on TV yet the AG has already scuttled the project, </font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div><div><span><font size="3">We are aware that all the great software applications developed over the past 3 decades have been done by </font>enthusiasts or as Philip Ochieng
recently clarified amateurs, a situation that is not about to change any time soon.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>KICT eat in peace.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Regards</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>PS. Liko lets go look for something more productive to do with our time, wachana na mambo ya certification na business plans. <font size="3"> </font></span></div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif">
</div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif">Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br></div> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"> <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times,serif"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Agosta Liko <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 5 February 2012, 14:00<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] Weird Things ...<br> </font> </div> <br><div>Samsung launched its 2nd Engineering Academy with a local Educational Institution<br>
<br>The ICT Board on the other hand is working with a Foreign Institution to
launch a Kenyan software development certification<br><br>:)<br>
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