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<FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Hello Josephat<BR>
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Do (Primary) Teacher Training Colleges come under tertiary institutions served by KENET? I ask this because the TTCs do not have internet connections, and any that do it is primarily out of their own budget and initiative.<BR>
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Suraj Shah<BR>
Corporate Affairs Manager<BR>
Intel<BR>
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On 12/7/11 9:21 AM, "Josphat Karanja" <karanjajf@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>@Robert,<BR>
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At present, KENET is already acting as an exchange point for all University and research traffic. Traffic from one KENET member to the next stays within the KENET network and does not even get to KIXP. As for peering with other research institutes, we are already peering with GEANT in London which gives us access to the world wide research network.<BR>
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Under the Africa Connect project (<a href="http://www.africaconnect.eu/pages/home.aspx),">http://www.africaconnect.eu/pages/home.aspx),</a> the idea is to bring the Africa research peering "local" within Africa and also to have local international peering points for international traffic.<BR>
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In the near future we are looking for ways to give students and research access to this network when they are out of campus.<BR>
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Regards<BR>
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Josphat Karanja, <BR>
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>@Gitau<BR>
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Your argument is like asking companies to stop using PBX systems because the cost of mobile calling has dropped drastically.�<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE="5"><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14pt'>It is not a�</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>philanthropic</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14pt'>�gesture for Google to find ways to keep Kenyan traffic local especially in the case of Youtube, if they can see the sense why can't we?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14pt'>Keeping local traffic local was the main mandate of organisations like KIXP and the soon to be formed government exchange point.<BR>
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KENET for all intents and purposes is supposed to be the exchange point for universities and�</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>tertiary</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14pt'>�institutions with the ultimate goal of covering all�institutions�of learning which will only be effective if its access is based on a different model from�bandwidth based access billing.</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>�<BR>
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Let us not become blind to American based connectivity models and develop our own home grown solutions let us not loose our peculiarity by not continuing to be ingenious.<BR>
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Robert Yawe<BR>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<BR>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<BR>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<BR>
Kenya<BR>
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Tel: +254722511225 <tel:%2B254722511225> , +254202010696 <tel:%2B254202010696> <BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="1" WIDTH="100%"> <B>From:</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'> John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com><BR>
<B>To:</B> robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk <BR>
<B>Cc:</B> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 22:53<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [kictanet] Internet "Kadonye" charges<BR>
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I don't buy it. The cost per international mb is quite cheap. the cost of broadband will drastically drop the moment we have more than three strong players using different technologies. Or just widespread wifi - even if it's community driven.<BR>
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Differentiating billing by whether international or local would have worked better back when we were on satellites. Today it only makes sense maybe for someone hosting a very latency sensitive application. The engineering effort to differentiate this traffic might not really make 'money' sense...techies would have fun with it though...<BR>
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Gitau<BR>
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On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Josphat Karanja <karanjajf@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
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The idea would be to have differentiated billing for local and international content. That would encourage more local hosting.<BR>
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Also not that at present and with the current set-up, local access links remain expensive compared to the international link.�<BR>
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Karanja<BR>
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Henry Okatch < <a href="mailto:hokatch@gmail.com"><mailto:hokatch@gmail.com></a> hokatch@gmail.com> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>I agree with you Robert especially the bundle usage<BR>
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I remember sometime back KDN had such project of hosting local content and making it easily accessible but they moved away from retail to corporate and I guess it just became a "white elephant"<BR>
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This I believe would have a great ripple effect of encouraging more development of local content and greatly reduce the cost of bandwidth seeing that there is alot of local content being appreciated online.<BR>
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Just my 2 cents<BR>
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Thanks<BR>
Henry<BR>
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM, robert yawe < <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk"><mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk></a> robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'><FONT FACE="Times, Times New Roman">Hi,<BR>
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</FONT></SPAN><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14pt'>I am one of the those very fortunate people who rarely buy Internet access by the�</SPAN><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12pt'>bandwidth or minute as I enjoy a flat rate unlimited access whether at home or in the office.�<BR>
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Today morning I needed to use one of the dongle devices as I needed to work off-site at one of my few�clients�who do not have dedicated internet access.�<BR>
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I loaded airtime on the device and proceeded to purchase a bundle, within 3 minutes of launching my browser (all 12 tabs) I noticed that I had already utilised 1.2 MB @ a rate of Kes. 0.83/- per MB. �Note that I was yet to do any useful work as I waited for my desktop to settle. �As you might have guessed, by the time I was ready to do some serious income generating work the bundle was over.<BR>
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It is now clear to me why so many of our youth who should be making productive use of the Internet are stuck to using only facebook because the costs for access are either subsidised or free which reduces an entire generation to a single web site.<BR>
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The kadonye economy definitely transcends to technology products at which rate the technology divide is not narrowing any time soon. �<BR>
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I assume that the cost of bandwidth is mainly related to the international leg therefore is it possible to have a bundle that allows you unlimited access to local sites.<BR>
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Such a model would encourage the development and hosting of content locally. �KENET could set-up peering with educational sites across the world whose access would be treated as local and our students would be able to benefit from the Internet. �<BR>
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Please�accommodate�this rant from an�occasional dongle user.<BR>
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Regards�<BR>
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Robert Yawe<BR>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<BR>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<BR>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<BR>
Kenya<BR>
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Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<BR>
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