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    Hi Walu and all<br>
    <br>
     ICTs can not be discussed in isolation<br>
    <br>
    Wish to share this from a global  Internet Governance List <br>
    "Wikipedia: I know everything!<br>
    Google: I have everything!<br>
    Facebook: I know everybody<br>
    Internet: Without me you all nothing.<br>
    Electricity: Keep talking @£*&*& ;-)"<br>
    <br>
    Difficult to discuss ICTs without taking into consideration
    electricity, and other basic's and generally human development,
    livelihood issues, etc<br>
    <br>
    As for the Bashir discussion, I agree with Makali, that "It is
    unfortunate that the government should be speaking out of turn with
    our new Supreme Law and the reality of the new Kenya" and our new
    constitution.  What will happen with ICT related provisions like
    Freedom of Information?<br>
    <br>
    Best<br>
    <br>
    Alice<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">Andrea,<br>
              <br>
              I had thought as much too a while back had been
              over-ruled. Maybe we are digressing too much.  Indeed I
              was now beginning to shop for another ICT list...<br>
              <br>
              Wherease we may not divorce ICTs from regular life
              (politics, economics, religion, etc) I really wish Listers
              could at least pretend to show the connection with
              ICTs...whenever they get off topic.<br>
              <br>
              walu.<br>
              <br>
              --- On <b>Tue, 12/6/11, Andrea Bohnstedt <i><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com"><andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com></a></i></b>
              wrote:<br>
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                From: Andrea Bohnstedt
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                Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try
                Pac ifying Angry Bashir<br>
                To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
                Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
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                Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 1:49 PM<br>
                <br>
                <div id="yiv1695757573">Go back to discussing ICT issues
                  on the ICT list? :) <br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="yiv1695757573gmail_quote">On 6 December
                    2011 13:44, Harry Delano <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      What is the way forward....?<br>
                      <br>
                      Harry<br>
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                      Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
                      Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya
                      To Try Pac ifying Angry<br>
                      Bashir<br>
                      <br>
                      Grace,<br>
                      Our media too needs to set the agenda right.  Much
                      of what David wrote was<br>
                      heavily influenced from what he read in foreign
                      media.  Earlier I made a<br>
                      comparison between what happened in Daffur and in
                      Congo.  In 2003 some 5<br>
                      million people died in the Congo.  You may recall
                      the Banyamulenge<br>
                      atrocities inside Congo but in spite the fact that
                      there were indictable<br>
                      people by ICC, the issue was brushed under the
                      carpet.<br>
                      <br>
                      Congo is a mineral rich country with a government
                      that hadly know what is<br>
                      going on in their country.  Some people want it
                      that way.  Below see a quote<br>
                      from the Financial Times and see why I made that
                      conclusion.<br>
                      <br>
                      "Given the muted response to the evolving fiasco
                      in Congo, there is<br>
                      much less international appetite for outrage, or
                      even for an accurate<br>
                      count. Western countries are less enchanted with
                      Mr Kabila than they<br>
                      were in 2006, when he won a UN-supervised
                      election, promising to bring<br>
                      peace and economic recovery. He has done neither.<br>
                      <br>
                      But unlike Mr Ouattara in Ivory Coast, Mr
                      Tshisekedi does not enjoy<br>
                      significant backing from anyone outside the Congo.<br>
                      <br>
                      He is his own man. That is one reason a large
                      number of Congolese<br>
                      persist in believing that he might turn things
                      round. At 78, he is<br>
                      representative of a generation of opposition
                      leaders who dedicated<br>
                      decades to the fight against dictatorship. Most,
                      including Mr Gbagbo<br>
                      have proved disastrous in government."<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      You cannot be your own man in Africa if you need
                      the support of Western<br>
                      countries.  This is a worrying statement and
                      confirms that our media has<br>
                      largely failed in setting the African agenda and
                      begin to influence the rest<br>
                      of the world.<br>
                      <br>
                      Virtually all mineral rich African countries are
                      at war from the west to<br>
                      central and eastern Africa.  Is is a coincident?<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Ndemo.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my BlackBerryR<br>
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