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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My two cent contribution to this discussion is that one, we
should be open minded and receive divergent issues without resulting to making demeaning
statements about the contributors. Everybody is entitled to their points of
view as articulated in our constitution. No body’s arguments is the winning one
and this forum is supposed to be a “market of ideas” which we can all
contribute to with decorum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The other thing and this is my perspective is that Africa must
start to define what democracy is all about without looking to the west because
as Winston Churchill observed, democracy was seen as a good option just because
other forms of leadership had been tested and weaknesses emerged while the
concept of democracy was largely new and untested during his times (historians
can correct me on this). I have a very strong reservation to what the west want
to prescribe to all and sundry with little respect that other contexts and
structures had been in existence and working. Just because they may have had
inherent weakness do not however subjugate them. In fact, the reasons why our
leaders are in problems is because they have tried to ape western leadership
principles without a thorough understanding of them and their contexts, and of
course there is the pressure to conform. My take is that unless we change our strategies,
we will continue to fail miserably. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When western powers invade other countries that is viewed as
acceptable yet when African states try to assist their fellow “continent” mates
like what Kenya and the other African troops is doing in Somali, it is demonized.
I strongly believe that circumstances presented Kenya with an opportunity to assist
the Somali govt and not purely because our tourists were attacked. Whether the
operation will be successful or not, only time will time but at least what’s
critical is that efforts have been made whether belatedly or otherwise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What also troubles me is the way the West will push in their cronies
to power in Africa just to ensure that their strategic interests are taken care
off with no respect of what the citizens really want. Yet we applause for being
democratic! For those have lived abroad, truth be told that there is just a
pretext of respect for human rights especially for minorities and other marginalized
communities. Even the citizenry struggle to make ends meet as life is so
expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Coming to the media, a lot is expected and the media should be
balanced in presenting the different narratives, being critical of what’s
happening locally but also what is happening abroad. Its unfortunate that the
western media see nothing good from Africa and when I look at our local media,
it appears to most of the time be giving credence to that. Of course our
training is western oriented but am challenging ourselves to stretch ourselves
a little more and be contextual and relevant in our approach. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As a I have mentioned earlier, let’s keep this discussion healthy
and lively and maybe from some of the ideas shared here, it could actually
inform/influence our thinking and work positively. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jane<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+info=amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Makali<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> info@amwik.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Why It’s Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>why is it
presumed that when africans think alike with the westerners, or publish views
similar to western media, then we are aping them or we have read and been
influenced by them? isn't that self demeaning? and how did you, ndemo, know of
the Banyamulenge atrocities you allude to except through the same media
which you shamefully quote as gospel truth? And isn't Jean Pierre Mbemba
charged at the ICC for the atrocities in eastern Congo? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Even
more, the conclusions you extrapolate from the Financial Times on why
Tshisekedi has no foreign backing is a reversal of the writer's argument: the
fact that western powers want to back leaders who can first turn around their
countries to be peaceful and economically prosperous, but also manipulable to
enable them exploit their potential. But to say they do not back Tshisekedi
merely because he is his own man, even though it is apparent he is not that
popular, is a little overstretched.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>my
arguments against appeasing Sudan are basic but founded on very clear facts.
What you are advocating in your winded argument is that the rule of law should
be suspended to mollify a dictator in the interest of trade. Well, a lot can be
said about that, and history is rich with examples of people who sit
pretty and enjoy the oppression of others as long as it benefits them or does
not affect their comfort.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>by the
same twisted logic, we should not be in somalia? why? we followed the cue of
the international community and stood by as the the country degenerated
into a banana republic. now we have rushed in because some tourists were
kidnapped. the dividends of this adventure will become apparent in March
when a supplementary budget is tabled in the House but was it worth going into
Somalia if we are spending over Sh200m a week to keep 3000 troops there? I
would love to have you pronounce your opinion on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>the
fundamental issue at hand with Sudan should not be lost with futile
rationalisation. a court was confronted with a case seeking the arrest of
Bashir if he ever sets foot in Kenya. the facts of the law were laid before
him. what was he expected to do? according to the wise men in govt, ndemo
included, he should have ruled otherwise or somehow found a reason to avoid the
verdict he made. so why are we wasting time talking about an independent
judiciary? yuck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>if that
is what machuhi calls "partisan" and "populist
emotions" of journalists then he is welcome to propagate his views. but i
doubt they will be more than the usual conformist and self preservation
arguments - "bend and let it pass" - that never changed the
world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>repeat:
am totally ashamed at the humiliation we as a country are being subjected to by
sudan's ultimatums.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>david<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span
style='color:black'>_______________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>"If
my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, <br>
I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster."<br>
— Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist<br>
_______________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>PO Box
3234<br>
00200 Nairobi, Kenya <br>
cell: +254 722 517 540<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> samuel
ochanji <sochanji@yahoo.com><br>
<b>To:</b> dmakali@yahoo.com <br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 6, 2011 11:21 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Why It’s Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Daktari,
I completely agree with you on this. Our media does not set the agenda on
global events/issues and give a Kenyan or an African perspective on these
issues. Instead it simply regurgitates whatever the global media provides us
with.Anything from CNN or New York Times is the default position of the Kenyan
media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>
"bitange@jambo.co.ke" <bitange@jambo.co.ke><br>
<b>To:</b> sochanji@yahoo.com <br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 6, 2011 6:48 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Why It’s Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry
Bashir<br>
</span><span style='color:black'><br>
Grace,<br>
Our media too needs to set the agenda right. Much of what David wrote was
heavily influenced from what he read in foreign media. Earlier I made a
comparison between what happened in Daffur and in Congo. In 2003 some 5
million people died in the Congo. You may recall the Banyamulenge
atrocities inside Congo but in spite the fact that there were indictable people
by ICC, the issue was brushed under the carpet.<br>
<br>
Congo is a mineral rich country with a government that hadly know what is going
on in their country. Some people want it that way. Below see a
quote from the Financial Times and see why I made that conclusion.<br>
<br>
"Given the muted response to the evolving fiasco in Congo, there is<br>
much less international appetite for outrage, or even for an accurate<br>
count. Western countries are less enchanted with Mr Kabila than they<br>
were in 2006, when he won a UN-supervised election, promising to bring<br>
peace and economic recovery. He has done neither.<br>
<br>
But unlike Mr Ouattara in Ivory Coast, Mr Tshisekedi does not enjoy<br>
significant backing from anyone outside the Congo.<br>
<br>
He is his own man. That is one reason a large number of Congolese<br>
persist in believing that he might turn things round. At 78, he is<br>
representative of a generation of opposition leaders who dedicated<br>
decades to the fight against dictatorship. Most, including Mr Gbagbo<br>
have proved disastrous in government."<br>
<br>
<br>
You cannot be your own man in Africa if you need the support of Western
countries. This is a worrying statement and confirms that our media has
largely failed in setting the African agenda and begin to influence the rest of
the world.<br>
<br>
Virtually all mineral rich African countries are at war from the west to central
and eastern Africa. Is is a coincident? <br>
<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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