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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Alice Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually, on the contrary South Korea is a healthy Democracy
with a thriving healthy amount of democratic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>space. Just last week, I saw some protesters taking to the
streets in Seoul..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We should guard jealously democratic ideals that help nurture
enterprise. Some of this has come at a price. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But again with this comes responsibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We have to learn very fast from elsewhere, including here at
home on our own continent that sometimes <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>the so called “freedom struggles” for democratic
space could quickly degenerate into autocracies with those<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>now in power bent on choking out every inch of space that was
initially fought for.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think if I would sum it up, I would put it this way; vision on
the direction a country needs to take has to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>start at the top. Secondly, servant leadership calls - selflessness,
and country first. Thirdly, systems and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>support structures. Lastly, everyone has a role to play to move
the country forward in their own unique<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>setting, however little that role is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Lastly, is Aki still on this list..?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Harry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Alice Munyua<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2011 9:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> harry@comtelsys.co.ke<br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for Presidency!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Dear P.S Ndemo, <br>
<br>
You note that we have adopted nonsensical ideologies, did we have a
choice? Many have have argued that we have often lacked the
socio-economic organisation to transform and develop into advanced economies
and that's the reason why we seem to continuously adopt foreign ideologies and
depend on industrialised countries.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Countries like Korea seem to have certain attributes that have enabled
them to adapt more easily to "development" from having a more
educated/skilled labour force, technologically advanced, but the most
important factor seems to be their (authoritarian) leadership, who are more
ideologically committed to socio-economic progress and development. The
Korean experience raise's the old questions regarding the relationship between
socio-economic development and regime type.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So could the challenge and a our biggest problem be corrupt politicians and
stupid voters? And perhaps it is time to move towards de-ideologisation
having experienced the failure of previous "adopted" ideologies
in solving our unique challenges and crises and let us hope that it will be
sustainable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Alice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>On 14/11/2011 16:06, <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Muraya,<br>
Let it be clear that as we fight corruption, we are not the only corrupt. I am
reading Capitalism 4.0 and Kaletsky argues that "politicians are corrupt,
banks are greedy and voters are stupid". If you have followed the
financial crisis in both US and Europe, you cannot believe the level of
corruption.<br>
<br>
I am looking forward to see what TI reports. Although I support the idea that
we should fight our own corruption war, it is absurd to be characterized as
corrupt yet we see what is happening. We need to understand these new forms of
corruption as they impact on us. The volatility of our shilling is a reaction
to the financial crisis elsewhere. If we were to leave everything to the
dictates of economics, our shilling will highly be valued. The continued
currency manipulation by some countries will destabilize Africa.<br>
<br>
What you are seeing is a failure of Laissers-faire economics (Less Government
more Private Sector) promoted by Reagan/Thatcher regimes and other economists
such as Rand. Even Liberal Democrats like Clinton and Blair had to become
centrist in order to be elected and shifted from Keynesian economics that had
served the world for decades. <br>
<br>
We adopted this nonsensical economics <br>
and that is why Land in Kenya appreciates on a daily basis without any economic
explanations. We then start blaming ourselves in Movoko County. Let us decide
what ideology is good for us and stop being appendages of others.<br>
<br>
Sorry Blackberry is a nightmare for typing.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my BlackBerry®<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>From: </b>"S.M. Muraya" <a
href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com"><murigi.muraya@gmail.com></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Date: </b>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:25 +0300<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke"><bitange@jambo.co.ke></a>;
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Korea - Dr Ndemo for
Presidency!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Can we say, development
revolves around transparency?<br>
<br>
Should we not focus on more than revenue collection?<br>
<br>
It is harder to steal (citizen time / public funds) when everyone can see what
you are or not doing?<br>
<br>
Revenue collections can increase even with improved citizen / customer / client
relationship management.<br>
<br>
Who is to blame for the demolitions in Mavoko (Syokimau)? <br>
<br>
Some victims (citizens) say when they were building, the Mavoko County Council
was aware and never told them anything.<br>
<br>
Is it not time for especially for local governments to request citizen e-mail
addresses in various applications for services and approvals?<br>
<br>
Also, have often wondered how to report good behavior when in govt offices /
parastatals.<br>
<br>
This will get good people promoted -- and we know good people are more likely
themselves to hire / promote / contract other good people.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:38 AM, <<a
href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Jane,<br>
There are possibly reasons why Korea is doing better than its 1960s peers.<br>
Casual look on the road tells you that more than nine out of ten vehicles<br>
on the road are Korean. You either see the Hyundai or a Kia and sometimes<br>
a Samsung. There is practically no foreign car here even the Toyota which<br>
originally gave the technology to Korea. I am told that 100% of the home<br>
appliances are locally manufactured. This level of patriotism (royalty to<br>
local outputs) is not by accident. South Korea is sandwiched by two<br>
powerful economies, that is, Japan and China.<br>
<br>
This is an export-orientated country, with a total trade volume exceeding<br>
900 billion in 2010. This figure also makes them the 7th largest exporter<br>
and 10th largest importer in the world. Since 2003, South Korea has<br>
established its network of free trade agreements to boost trade and<br>
economic ties with other countries.<br>
<br>
Currently, South Korea has 5 FTAs in effect, 3 FTAs which has concluded<br>
discussions, and 19 FTAs under negotiation and consideration. So far, the<br>
biggest FTA of South Korea is the Korea-US Free Trade Agreement (KORUS<br>
FTA) signed in 2007. This free trade agreement plans to liberate 95<br>
percent of the trade tariffs between the 2 countries. It is also US<br>
first free trade agreement with a major Asian economy and biggest deal<br>
since the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) signed with Japan in<br>
1993. Even with these FTAs some Koreans oppose especially FTA with the<br>
US. At a neatly organized rally (looked like an AGM of some company)<br>
people are gathered to protest FTA with the US. They argue it will hurt<br>
their industry.<br>
<br>
With a lack in natural resources, South Korea has a high dependence on<br>
import of capital goods, raw materials and industrial supplies. The<br>
country is also the 5th largest importer of oil in the world, with 3.074<br>
million barrels imported per day.<br>
<br>
This makes Korea a good case study for Kenya as we have almost a similar<br>
background. At the height of structural adjustment program (SAP), Kenya<br>
had practically developed local capacity to manufacture cars. Uhuru then<br>
manufactured by General Motors had attained more than 60% local content.<br>
The neighbouring countries had begun to import Uhuru from Kenya but we<br>
were more focused on exports to Europe than exploiting the regional<br>
market. The then Government which ironically introduced Nyayo car found<br>
it easier to import used cars from Japan. We had lost track of going<br>
through a learning curve and create local capacities. Similar tastes were<br>
developing in the textile industry that led to the shutdown of Rivertex.<br>
The change of policy from SAPs to liberalization gave rise to looting of<br>
public enterprises (Read Kenatco, KNTC, ICDC, Kisumu Molasses, Kenya<br>
National Assurance, AT&H etc.) Other countries notably Korea,
Singapore<br>
and Australia turned to corporatization of state enterprises and they<br>
succeeded big. If there were to be any justice through TJRC, it is the<br>
repossession of these assets to enable us create a youth venture capital<br>
to help the youth set up enterprises. I am well aware that Kenya media<br>
knows who looted and the state of those assets.<br>
<br>
There is no need for us to be sorry about the past and keep on whining<br>
about the future. We must identify the opportunities that are glaring at<br>
us. It is not for nothing that God denied Middle East the land to grow<br>
food and gave them oil. We have a comparative advantage in certain areas<br>
that only after we exploit them that it becomes an opportunity. We must<br>
move from the past where opportunity meant a job opportunity to an<br>
environment where opportunity means you need to scratch your head and see<br>
a window where others have not seen one then exploit the chance. Africa<br>
and Middle East provides that window.<br>
<br>
We also must be patient and willing to take collective sacrifices for us<br>
to succeed as a nation. You visit India and see that they do not import<br>
many vehicles too. In as much as the Mahindra is slow and ugly, Indian<br>
buys it. The Tata truck may not be great but Indians buy it. We
have<br>
exported raw coffee far too long as we import instant coffee from our raw<br>
materials. Building a value added industry of our resources for the<br>
African market will make Kenya the largest economy in Africa. In two<br>
years’ time consumption in Africa will top $3 trillion. I have not
even<br>
talked about AGOA which remains unexploited. Think.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<br>
> PS,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I bring back the debate of your for presidency! I strongly feel you have a<br>
> lot to offer and wish Kenyans would vote beyond political rhetoric! What<br>
> do<br>
> you think should be done to promote such change in this country? Am<br>
> impressed by the Korea's experience beyond words and feel thoroughly<br>
> challenged. However, at times I think we do not want real change because<br>
> we<br>
> benefit from the chaotic system in our country.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Jane<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From: kictanet-bounces+info=<a href="mailto:amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke"
target="_blank">amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Binfo" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+info</a>=<a
href="mailto:amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">amwik.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
> James Mbugua<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:35 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:info@amwik.org" target="_blank">info@amwik.org</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Korea<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> PS<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> That is enlightening stuff. Please also check out the last mile solutions.<br>
> As I have always told you, I think government should build the fiber to<br>
> the<br>
> home with an allocation from the national budget the same way we allocate<br>
> money for roads. Private sector can't do it and where they do, they will<br>
> charge an arm and a leg to "recoup investments."<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> They key lesson to be learnt also from those observations is productivity<br>
> per capita.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kenyans are hard workers but we have inefficient production systems.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> The amount a Chinese or Korean worker produces in an hour is probably what<br>
> a<br>
> Kenyan worker will take a day or two to produce.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> We must think of ways of improving productivity.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Manual labourers must not be allowed to hold this economy hostage with<br>
> their<br>
> abysmal production levels and loud, unreasonable politics.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> If you haven't guessed by now which manual labourers I speak of, think<br>
> Atwoli and his tea pickers who won't allow mechanization at the farms and<br>
> the dock workers who won't allow efforts to make the Port of Mombasa more<br>
> efficient.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Economic development theories dictate that mechanization takes place to<br>
> free<br>
> up manual labourers to move into other economic sectors. We must look<br>
> seriously at our level of productivity if we are to develop to Korea's<br>
> level.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> James Mbugua<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:19 PM, <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke"
target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I arrived in Korea yesterday for a Global e-Government conference.
ITU<br>
> ranks Korea as number one in ICT diffusion. From the airport you see<br>
> people walk through with an e-passport using biometrics. The New
Incheon<br>
> airport is 70 Kms west of Seoul, the capital and largest city of South<br>
> Korea with some 11 million inhabitants. It is one of the largest and<br>
> busiest airports in the world actually the world's fourth busiest airport<br>
> by cargo traffic, and the world's eighth busiest airport in terms of<br>
> international passengers in 2010.<br>
><br>
> Korea is about 99,000 sq Kms or one half of the Rift Valley Province of<br>
> Kenya with a population of 50 million and a GDP of $1 trillion (Kenya's<br>
> GDP is about $35 billion). In the 60's it was largely a donor
recipient<br>
> country with a GDP less than that of Kenya and more than 60% of its<br>
> population below poverty. They have turned tables to be a member of
the<br>
> OECD and a donor country over a short period.<br>
><br>
> For many years it mostly depended on the USA as its largest trade partner<br>
> but over a time they focused their energies on the Asian Markets.
Its<br>
> trade with China, USA and Japan in 2010 figures stands at %190, $98 and<br>
> $90 billion respectively. They import a great deal of food and the
reason<br>
> why we should not lease our land but use it to improve on our economic<br>
> growth. A Kg of meat here is $100 imported from Canada and Brazil.<br>
><br>
> I asked our Ambassador why we cannot sell our meat here. He says we
do<br>
> not meat their standards. This should not be a problem since we have<br>
> broadband in most parts of the country that we can keep pace with the rest<br>
> of the world in keeping the records especially those required by various<br>
> standrds organization.<br>
><br>
> Back to Korea. ICTs are also deployed along the highways making it
easier<br>
> to go through the toll stations and collecting all the revenues. You
can<br>
> get data from government at every hour. You can for example know the<br>
> number of children born in a day throughtout the country. There is
CCTV<br>
> practically everywhere. Crime is approaching zero.<br>
><br>
> There is an over supply of affordable public transport via the rail and<br>
> bus system all clean and on time. If you choose to drive on your
own, you<br>
> are taxed at every new turn you make. The tax from the polluters who<br>
> cannot use public transport is used to subsidize the energy efficient<br>
> public tranportation.<br>
><br>
> Every child after high school has to go through the Military thus<br>
> instilling the discipline required in this competitive world.
Because of<br>
> such discipline, they do everything very fast. We were literaly
running<br>
> behind our hosts to catch up with them. In the Newspapers there is a
Bank<br>
> executive who has committed suicide because he gave questionable loans to<br>
> friends. He killed himself for shaming his family and that he may
not<br>
> have any friends.<br>
><br>
> My experience here confirms much of what we have been saying in this<br>
> forum. The problem is how to inculcate such high levels of ethical<br>
> standards as well as feeling of shame.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ndemo.<br>
><br>
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