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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Kerubo,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is an excellent discussions and the duty bearer here is the state. Access to information cannot succeed unless the Government takes the initiative in ensuring the development of the legislation and ensuring its implementation. Maybe we can borrow from the Platform on Access to Information declaration which was launched in Cape Town s( see attached) and a number of media personalities in Kenya were part of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C0504D'>Rosemary Okello Orlale<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C0504D'>Executive Director<br>African Woman and Child Feature Service<br>P.O.BOx 48197 00100<br>Nairobi, Kenya<br>Tel. 254-20-2724756,2720554<br>Fax: 254-20-2718469<br>Website: <a href="http://www.awcfs.org/"><span style='color:#C0504D'>www.awcfs.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C0504D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=111 height=63 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CC8DBA.76F5DE80" alt="Description: AWC logo"></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet-bounces+rookello=awcfs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+rookello=awcfs.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kerubo Ombati<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 October 2011 12:35<br><b>To:</b> rookello@awcfs.org<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Freedom of Information laws/ e- discussion continued<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Listers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Harry, the 'Freedom of Information' clause in the constitution is designed to give citizens free access to public information held by the state,it generally does not impose a positive obligation on the state to impart such information on the individual.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However,in certain instances, failure to provide the information to an individual can be considered to constitute an interference with their private rights and a breach of the state's human rights obligations. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Although, freedom of information legislation is reluctant to impose a positive obligation on the state,the considered view as adopted is that the freedom of information legislation should impose a duty on the state to impart information to the public.<br><br>Regards,<br>Kerubo<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Harry Delano <<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Hey Grace & Kerubo,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Thanks for your summary overview. I wonder aloud whether it should only be the state that maintains this monopoly over </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>accessibility to basic information in as far as "<b>Freedom </b>of information" is concerned.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Whereas state has the instruments it can use to either promote or curtail such freedoms, I suppose it would also be safe </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>to say that in quite a number of instances, state might be deemed a "lame duck". </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>How about a remote Island sequestered somewhere, about 200 miles off the shores of Lake Victoria with no basic access </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>to communication?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Would the populace there's lack thereof, of basic information access be considered an infringement on this fundamental</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>right/liberty by the state...?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Harry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grace Githaiga<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 18, <a href="tel:2011%2012" target="_blank">2011 12</a>:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Freedom of Information laws/ e- discussion continued</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Harry Delano, Washington, Cleophas and Kerubo. <br> <br>Harry you raise a good question on what these terms mean and whether they are interchangeable. <br> <br>Washington, you make an important point about freedom of expression/speech not being absolute, and Cleophas affirms your point. <br> <br>Thanks Kerubo for the definitions. Yes, freedom of information simply means the freedom to get certain basic information held by the state, which can enable one to for example bring a case of human rights violation or any other cause. <br> <br>Freedom of expression can mean many things, say freedom to air your ideas, take a stand, artistic creativity--simply freedom to express how you feel. And of course as Washington and Cleophas rightly point out, all these freedoms are subject to limitations and therefore not carte blanche. <br> <br>In this case then:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Is there conflict between laws on freedom of information and what citizens demand/require?<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal> <br>Lets hear it from you.<br> <br>Rgds<br>Grace<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kaykerubo%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kaykerubo%40gmail.com</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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