Nah. I'm just letting my inner copy editor run wild. <br><br>It was also a reminder to look up 'transitive verb' :) <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 October 2011 16:27, Harry Delano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff">Andrea,</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff">Robert meant to say, "you are digressing", in his earlier
email. Hope you won't read</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff">offense into it...</font></span><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"> </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" size="2" color="#0000ff">Harry</font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left">
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
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PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke" target="_blank">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our
Newsprint<br></div></div></font><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
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<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><span>Andrea,</span></div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><span><br></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3">You are </font>disgracing,
what I was responding to was your issue that suggested that a jobless graduate
was inferior to an employed one.</span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3">I concur with you on the issue of
having the senior editors educate the newbies, what could be done in my
outsourcing model would be to deduct a certain amount for every error picked up
further ahead in the chain, </font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"></span>"hit where it hurts most"</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3"><br></font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="3">Many people who jumped on the
initial outsourcing "gravy train" got shut-down due to the high costs of the
errors they made when transcribing, some ended up receiving invoices instead of
cheques.</font></span></div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Regards</div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"> </div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Robert
Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806
Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div>
<div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Tel:
+254722511225, +254202010696<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Andrea Bohnstedt
<<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" target="_blank">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> robert yawe
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<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 11 October 2011,
10:56<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet]
Declining English grammar in our Newsprint<br></font><br>
<div>Robert, <br><br>Whether you have your editing outsourced
or not is mainly a questions of how you structure the contracts - do you have
people on the payroll, or do you have them work as freelancer. Or you could have
them on the payroll, but have them work online, so they can work anywhere and
don't need to be physically present in the office. <br><br>However, that's
secondary to quality, although I'd argue that for key functions, it'd be more
useful to have them on payroll and in the office. A lot of mistakes occur again
and again, so if I were in charge of cleaning up copy (and I was milimetres away
from applying for that position with the Star), I'd try to develop an approach
that would teach the journalists to avoid them. I'd hunt down anyone who still
uses 'greenbuck' and 'curving a niche' and who uses 'adorn' wrongly.
<br><br>My point is: 'English graduate' in itself is not a qualification for
good copy editing. That requires a lot more than an English degree. It's
entirely possible that someone with an English degree makes for a good copy
editor, but it requires a lot more than that.<br><br>Andrea <br><br>
<div>On 11 October 2011 09:36, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt">
<div><span>Hi Andrea,</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div><span>What is outsourcing if not sending out what has been standardised,
as some have mentioned that it is becoming too expensive to hire editors why
not outsource the same.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div>
<div>A jobless language graduate is no different from an employed language
graduate, the graduate is jobless because the media houses cannot afford to
pay them to sit in the office to work so why not apply technology.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>That graduate sitting in Chepalungu can go to Pasha centre every evening
after tending the firm or teaching at the local primary school log onto
the web and proof read articles due for publishing. At 500/- per article
the media house will spend 15,000/-, no pension or medical expenses, no desk
space required, no tea at 10 and 4, one less supervisor, our food security
will have moved a step forward, the slums in Nairobi will grow that much
slower, the local school will have another teacher thus reducing the
teacher/student ratio and last and least you and I will be less stressed by
the mediocrity that has manifested in the media.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>"Think global but act local"</div>
<div>
<div> </div>
<div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th
Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br></div></div>
<div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
<div style="font-size:12pt">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Andrea Bohnstedt <<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>><br></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>
<div><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 10 October 2011, 10:41
<div>
<div><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Declining English
grammar in our Newsprint<br></div></div></font>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>What Catherine said. Editing, proofreading, subbing require skill and
experience and knowledge - it's *not* something you can just farm out to
jobless graduates. <br><br>
<div>On 10 October 2011 10:16, Catherine Adeya <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14pt">
<div><span>I think there is a wrong impression that a Journalism graduate is
best suited to edit a paper. You may be better off with an English major
graduate, Linguistics graduate and Information Sciences (Publishing Major)
graduate. The IS course at MU had a renowned editing course in the '80s with
the late Jonathan Kariara. I do not know how they are doing now. I remember
him teaching an editing class and emphasizing the importance of good
grammar, good English and simplicity especially when communicating to the
wider market. I remember "Class, it is easier to say "walk" rather than
"perambulate" even though they mean the same thing. He gave an example
of certain words that you must be extremely careful about when
editing...they are words that you must counter-check and DO NOT AT ANY COST
rely on your computer (the class already had experience in
this). </span></div>
<div><br><span></span></div>
<div><span>Let me give you an example of one of those words and forgive me
as I have no intention to be vulgar. Two years ago I was in Dar and I was
reading their top local paper. The heading in one of the lead stories was
'President opens a Pubic library'......I can't remember whether it was a
library or what but you know the word I am referring to. I actually drew the
attention of someone I knew to this major error and she promised to get in
touch with the editor. My point is such words on a spell-checker will be
correct, it requires as well trained eye to still sweep over the document
and pick words like this. Even in the the Kenyan case we lack this seriously
yet the qualified people are there. I am glad this topic has come up because
sometimes I just put the paper aside as I am horrified at the level of
grammar and editorial mistakes. The same happens with the news that is
scrolled during News broadcasts....and while I am at that... some of the
Opinion questions are SO ABSURD and even worse they are grammatically
wrong...wrong...wrong....</span></div>
<div><br><span></span></div>
<div><span>Enough said....</span></div>
<div><br><span></span></div>
<div><span>Nyaki<br></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Victor Bwire <<a href="mailto:victor@article19.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">victor@article19.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:elizaslider@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">elizaslider@yahoo.com</a>
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<div><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint<br></div></div></font>
<div>
<div><br>Infact it is the ICT use that is the cause of the problem- given
the little ICT literacy by some of our newsrooms- most of our sub editors
learn computer by on job-rarely able to master command of the computer
functions- including grammer, spell checks-it will continue
happening<br><br><br><br>Previously, we used to print hard copies of the
articles for editing manually with red pens- thus very few mistakes- but
now<br><br>Many of journalism courses do not include introduction to
computer lessons- so how will the graduates know how to use
them<br><br><br><br>Who regulates journalism training or draws the course or
approves the same in the country anyway- if you even happen to see some
course outlines offered in some of the colleges and universities offering
journalism including Government ones- you will feel
sorry<br><br><br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>From:
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on behalf of james ratemo [<a href="mailto:jratemo@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jratemo@gmail.com</a>]<br>Sent: 04
October 2011 21:16<br>To: Victor Bwire<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our
Newsprint<br><br>Bwana PS what are you insinuating? We open our newsrooms
fro the so called English majors? Some of them are in the newsrooms
already...maybe they are sleeping on the job...my opinion<br><br>On Tue, Oct
4, 2011 at 11:11 PM, <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>>
wrote:<br>All of today's newspapers had several grammatical errors. At
this time and age of ICT, is it not too embarrasing to have such
errors? We have thousands of English majors without jobs.
It is time for media to be thorough in what they do by utilizing our many
graduates without jobs. As a Kenyan I get embarrased to see such
errors.<br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br><br><br>Sent from my
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