Personally I think this whole computerization is being looked at in totally the wrong way, and for this I would blame the bean counters at the ministry because tit is quite within reach to automate the whole process and even enable remote registration of companies. Here is the scenario i have always looked at: <br>
<br>1: Domain name registration is no different from company name registration, both have names, need to be searched and are unique property that can belong to only one person. <br><br>2: The time spent at the registry is a total waste, Why would it take hours (and not milliseconds) to search if a name is available for registration? If its stamp duty, there are means of making payments including but not limited to Mpesa, just ask the Kenyans for Kenya guys. I bet the operators would gladly support providing a standardized shortcode purely for registration of companies. <br>
<br>3: Documents can be scanned and attached in an application, this in this age and time is pretty acceptable, but for legal reasons this can be used for initial pre-approval after which document verification can be done by someone manually if need be at a later stage and appropriate action taken to erroneous documents. <br>
<br>4: Lastly, a registration certificate can be printed online just as the PIN certificate is printed. and Instead of ask all these documents everywhere, GOK can provide an API for banks, security organizations, hospitals, universities, schools and others that need documentation can just pull it out so i dont have to produce tonnes of copies of my tattered KCPE certificate to get a kazi kwa vijana job. I bet the reduction in paper usage could earn the ministry some green points. <br>
<br>5: If all this is employed, there is no reason why registration should not take 5 minutes if you have all the documents ready. And i bet Gava would earn more from this.... <br><br>my 2cnts.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Gesora <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andy.gesora@gmail.com">andy.gesora@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">I have just come back into the country after a bit of stay outside. With the little savings i have, i thought i would have a registered company in a week or at mot 2 weeks so as to take off. Now the lawyer comes back to me and says, "it may take up to a month to complete the process, there have been some changes done in the process". I always thought change should be progressive and make things better?</span><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Muchiri Nyaggah <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muchiri@semacraft.com" target="_blank">muchiri@semacraft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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With EAC integration picking up, I won't be surprised if it becomes a more attractive option for Kenyan business owners to register their enterprises in other member countries first. We maybe setting ourselves up for a new kind of 'capital' flight if e-government continues to lag behind when valuable Kenyan-owned innovations domicile elsewhere.<div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Rad! <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com" target="_blank">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Maybe its's just me but I'm not convinced there is commitment in some quarters to implement some of these initiatives fully.<div><br></div><div>I have a friend working in Rwanda and he tells me you can register a business on-line within 48 hours. Imagine that. 48 hours. Start to finish.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Compare and contrast with us here. What possible reason do we have for not doing the same? Where we still have that absurdity of 3 days for a business name search?</div><div><br></div><div>The other initiative of course has to be some sort of record - automating the lands ministry. Every lands minister that i can remember has launched this and mysteriously all these attempts have mysteriously vanished.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Why are we chest thumping about vision 2030 and vision 2011 that is just within our reach we refuse to grasp?<div><br><br>On Monday, September 5, 2011, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think in addition to computerisation some people need prayer, they are stuck with very crazy mentalities, change management 2.0<br>> Kind Regards<br>><br>> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Harry Karanja <<a href="mailto:kairo@softlaw.co.ke" target="_blank">kairo@softlaw.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>> Robert, Good luck if you can get it in a week. Mine took 2 months and at one point my letter was "lost".<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Harry Karanja<br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:19 AM, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Hi,<br>>> I believe we had been informed on this list that the registrar of companies had installed a new electronic system.<br>
>> Last week I asked my company secretary to get us a CR12 which is a document confirming the current directors of a company that is issued by the registrar of companies. He told me that it normally takes 3 days, I then mentioned to him that the department had been computerised and I that it should not take more than a day to get the document.<br>
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