Good Work..<br><br>Are churches not expected to keep their giving (alms) secret except to those who give to the churches?<br><br>Those of us who love beer, EABL pay for it, those who pay for Christianity do so because it saved them from wasting their lives & families -- more than 10% of their income.<br>
<br>If church organizations / images / initiatives are banned / burned in Northern Kenya / Somalia, would it be wise to publicize any church aid given?<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:28 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Harry,<br>
Thank you for taking some time to read my views on how we can make our<br>
country a better place to live in. Several listers have directly asked me<br>
many things off-list. Basically, most of them want me to "share my<br>
views", "encourage their folks", "lecture their people", go to their local<br>
county or meet professional from their respective counties. I am grateful<br>
but will not be able to all this at this time for a simple reason- we are<br>
in an election mode and this why.<br>
<br>
I have four Individual Social Responsibility (ISR) projects. These<br>
projects are in Kisii (where I was born), in Kiambu (where I live), in<br>
Nyeri (where I went to school and where my kids go to school) and in Homa<br>
Bay (where my close relative got married). While the central Kenya<br>
projects have gone well, the Nyanza ones have been a major disappointment.<br>
In the Nyanza projects people there say that I am doing this because I<br>
will ask them some day to vote for me and as such the projects are<br>
considered a bribe. If I expanded to other parts of the country even for<br>
speaking missions, it will even impact my projects more.<br>
<br>
I have decided to go slow in non performing projects till after the<br>
elections. It is difficult to help people but I am happy since the<br>
resources I use come from my individual tithing. I stopped giving my 10%<br>
to Church since there were no audits and I did not want to rock the boat<br>
instead I give directly to projects of choice. God is capable of<br>
deciphering my intentions. Every month therefore I set aside between<br>
35,000 and 40,000 for this cause.<br>
<br>
In my previous posts I dealt with the resources that Churches have<br>
amassed. The Banks will tell you in Nairobi that banking from all manner<br>
of Church collections amount to between 3 and 5 billion shillings every<br>
Monday morning. This is coming from the poor but they have not parted<br>
with even 100 million for hunger in Northern Kenya. In the previous<br>
debate some listers took my posting verbatim to NCCK. Later I was asked<br>
to address representatives from 150 different churches in Mombasa. I<br>
repeated what I had written and urged them to get more involved in social<br>
development in this country. We compromised that I go slow on my<br>
statements and they will start social enterprises. To date only a handful<br>
that have started the social enterprises to help create jobs. We must at<br>
all times help raise such issues and be the advocates of the poor not just<br>
when we are “candidates”.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Ndemo.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
> Bwana Ps,<br>
><br>
> First and foremost our condolences, for the loss....<br>
><br>
> Secondly, I'd really wish to commend the moderator who set this thread<br>
> off.<br>
> For once we have a lively healthy debate,<br>
> modelled alongside the live presidential hopeful debates often times held<br>
> elsewhere in more mature democracies.This<br>
> is the way to go and it heralds exciting times ahead. I suppose this forum<br>
> is so well poised to play a leading role in the<br>
> National discourse aimed at building a better Kenya. So let's keep this<br>
> up,<br>
> and perhaps rope in the other "contenders".<br>
><br>
> But 3rdly, this "Sumptuous" debate is also turning out to be highly<br>
> educative and hugely informational for most of our silent<br>
> listeners on the list, who are furiously "taking notes". Dr.Ndemo,many of<br>
> us<br>
> are just realizing to our utter amazement how<br>
> much level of knowledge you possess and are willing to share, and your<br>
> amount of energy is so infectious, that somehow I<br>
> in my opinion feel we need not limit you to this forum,but find ways in<br>
> which we can have you engage an even wider and<br>
> more larger audience out here especially those from the generation Y<br>
> segment. Listers any ideas...? Would Townhall style<br>
> lectures suffice...? Just thinking..<br>
><br>
> I couldn't help noticing an earlier debate touching on infrastructure and<br>
> feeding our nation, and in the same vein I have also<br>
> taken a hard look at the events taking place across our country right<br>
> now,and the greater horn of Africa,and it would be an<br>
> understatement when I say it's really infuriating to say the least. It<br>
> defeats any imagination why after independence, 51 yrs<br>
> down the line we are not self sufficient in food production, with several<br>
> corners of the nation marginalized such that even<br>
> humanitarian aid donated by other well meaning Kenyans can not reach those<br>
> who need it most because there is no<br>
> infrastructure such as roads and communication to even talk about in the<br>
> first place... It's maddening..<br>
><br>
> How do you plan to balance infrastructural development across the land, to<br>
> avoid over-concentration in specific zones at<br>
> the expense of the rest...?<br>
><br>
> At the same time, what kind/quality of advisers would you be looking for<br>
> to<br>
> help you shape policy/decision making.<br>
> A presidency or leadership is just as good or bad as the quality of the<br>
> courtiers that gather around.<br>
><br>
> Harry<br>
><br>
> _____<br>
><br>
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bharry">kictanet-bounces+harry</a>=<a href="mailto:comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke">comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>
> Behalf Of <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 9:01 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:harry@comtelsys.co.ke">harry@comtelsys.co.ke</a><br>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President?<br>
> DrivingKnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterviewwith PS Ndemo<br>
><br>
><br>
> Aki,<br>
> We are meeting Konza Technology City possible underwriters (local Banks)<br>
> on<br>
> Monday morning 7am at Serena. Please come. Many of the quesions you ask<br>
> will<br>
> be answered then you can make a summary for the listers.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ndemo.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div>> Sent from my BlackBerryR<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br>
> _____<br>
><br>
> From: aki <<a href="mailto:aki275@gmail.com">aki275@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:45:44 +0300<br>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Cc: <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving<br>
> KnowledgeEconomy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo<br>
><br>
><br>
> Dr Ndemo,<br>
><br>
> While we look forward to a comprehensive response on the High Tech Sector/<br>
> Malili as soon as you have some time, I believe that you mentioned that<br>
> completion is about 3 years away. That seems is not a lot of time to get<br>
> e.g<br>
> at least 50 companies who have significant turnovers coming close to about<br>
> Kshs 500 million with a % on exports. I think there may be a need for a<br>
> review. I already read that IBM super-team is in the country and done some<br>
> indepth research and assessment into e-Govt, it maybe a good time to ask<br>
> them to re-access the current trends. Mobile, Web and Social technologiy<br>
> development platforms trends may only produce slim domestic interest with<br>
> extremely small turnovers and virtually impossible that either can later<br>
> contribute to significant economic growth.<br>
><br>
> There could an alternative which would be to look at Comesa/Igad or other<br>
> markets within our region, create Govt/Private ICT or other sector<br>
> development action groups to be based at Malili which would also provide<br>
> Venture Capitalists/Investors an avenue for serious interests. I've had a<br>
> look at very basic Comesa data, seems Agricultural engineering would do<br>
> well<br>
> here. I think JUKAT has the foundations of producing such engineers.<br>
> However, there is not enough data to full research what Agricultural<br>
> Engineering and ICT development can do.<br>
><br>
> Also the topic of electricity generation has raised a manufacturing<br>
> interest. Is any Kenyan company manufacturing the High Voltage Lines<br>
> insulators ( ceramic/glass based in many cases ) or are we importing<br>
> these?<br>
> Each High/Low Power line on every mounted pole needs these isolators.<br>
> <a href="http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators" target="_blank">http://knol.google.com/k/overhead-line-insulators</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you.<br>
><br>
> Rgds.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:54 AM, aki <<a href="mailto:aki275@gmail.com">aki275@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thank you Dr Ndemo, and will await to read the comprehensive response. :-)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:45 AM, <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Aki,<br>
> Whereas by chance one of the aaplications developed here may become a<br>
> global<br>
> brand, we do not want to leave to chance. That is why we are developing<br>
> centers of excellency, standards and incubators to make sure we part of<br>
> global standards. There is much learning that we must go through. The<br>
> reason<br>
> we should seek to collaborate while guarding our inventions.<br>
><br>
> As I write, we are working on a digital economy policy. We shall come up<br>
> with a specific legislation in this emerging sector. Create special<br>
> incentives that would propel it to greater levels.<br>
><br>
> We also must deal with Universities inorder to create the triple helix<br>
> that<br>
> has worked in many parts of the world. Strathmore is leading in the right<br>
> direction. We want to fully their patnership with Sumsang and Safaricom.<br>
> Through such arrangement we create capacities that lead to new other<br>
> enterprises.<br>
><br>
> This is an area I have the greatest interest and would want to explore. I<br>
> am<br>
> using the annoying Blackberry so please allow me to respond more<br>
> comprehensively when I get to a real keyboard.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Ndemo.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div>> Sent from my BlackBerryR<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br>
> _____<br>
><br>
> From: aki <<a href="mailto:aki275@gmail.com">aki275@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:13:11 +0300<br>
> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Cc: <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Driving Knowledge<br>
> Economy?OnlineInterview with PS Ndemo<br>
><br>
> Dr Ndemo,<br>
><br>
> I have a final question on regarding the creation of the High Tech Sector<br>
> in<br>
> preparation for Malili. While cheaper rent or infrastructure facilities<br>
> maybe an additional advantage, I think we are still to find a way to push<br>
> private sector and govt incentives/policies on creating the High Tech<br>
> Sector. I believe we are no where at the moment, neither the mobile or web<br>
> development sectors even come close to becoming the next billion shilling<br>
> industry sectors. These two sectors are in a transition mode where the<br>
> demand is for more localised settings.<br>
><br>
> What will the govt do to ensure that kenyan companies start looking at<br>
> holding patents and developing the needs of external markets based on<br>
> technology trends. I think the last thing we would want to see is a<br>
> scenario<br>
> where kenyans in ICT become more of daily wage labourers on contract<br>
> basis.<br>
> While this may seem an ideal employment creation scenario, the results<br>
> will<br>
> be negative in the long term.<br>
><br>
> What steps and incentives will create the High Tech Sector companies and<br>
> will opening up the development of critical govt sectors offer an<br>
> incentive<br>
> to create broad based technologies?<br>
><br>
> Thank you.<br>
><br>
> Rgds.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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