Socrata is a hosted platform with a SaaS model, and they do a good job. We might criticize but very few companies in Kenya can meet such standards. Don't forget Socrata has been in the business of opening governments for a while. The service is transparent, with a Pricing catalog for governments here <a href="http://www.socrata.com/solutions/socrata-plans-and-pricing/">http://www.socrata.com/solutions/socrata-plans-and-pricing/</a><br>

<br>Its good to promote local services and products, but not possible always. For example the laptop or computer we are using is probably manufatured by an America or European country. A lister with foresight here said that it was possible to have the system developed and hosted by Kenyans but it would take 10years, while we want instant results.<br>

<br>regards<br>Mwendwa<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 July 2011 15:56, Edwin Onchari <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">That then leads to the question, why host it outside Kenya? The server seems to be perpetually down, at least as far as the last tracert by Yawe and myself<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><u></u>�<u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Edwin<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+eonchari</a>=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>lordmwesh<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2011 3:44 PM</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> Edwin<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br></div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?<u></u><u></u><p>

</p></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u>�<u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">According to informed sources, our Open Data is hosted in USA Seatle on Soctrata platform at the SAVVIS Cloud center. The real URL address is� <a href="http://kenya.socrata.com" target="_blank">kenya.socrata.com</a>. <a href="http://OpenData.go.ke" target="_blank">OpenData.go.ke</a> is just a clever redirect to the <a href="http://kenya.socrata.com" target="_blank">kenya.socrata.com</a> subdomain.<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><p class="MsoNormal">On 11 July 2011 12:08, Edwin Onchari <<a href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" target="_blank">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I am not very good at this, but besides the high latency numbers of over 300ms, does this imply that the data is hosted outside of Kenya?</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Edwin</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+eonchari</a>=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>robert yawe<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2011 12:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> Edwin</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Open Data - Where does it sit?<u></u><u></u></p>

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</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times","serif"">Robert Yawe</span><br><span style="font-family:"Times","serif"">KAY System Technologies Ltd</span><br>

<span style="font-family:"Times","serif"">Phoenix House, 6th Floor</span><br><span style="font-family:"Times","serif"">P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200</span><br><span style="font-family:"Times","serif"">Kenya</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>

<b>Sent:</b> Thu, 7 July, 2011 18:48:50<br><b>Subject:</b> [kictanet] Government to Launch Open Data July 8th @KICC</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><b><span style="color:black">Listers</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><b><span style="color:black">The Government of Kenya, through the Ministry of Information of Communications will launch a new Government�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">Open</span><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">Data</span><span style="color:black">�Portal on July 8, 2011 at the KICC that will</span><span style="color:#1F497D">,</span><span style="color:black">�for the first time</span><span style="color:#1F497D">,</span><span style="color:black">�make several large government datasets available to the general public in an easy to search and view format.</span></b><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#1F497D">��</span><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:#1F497D">Program commences at 9.30 tomorrow.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:black">The portal will be one of the first and largest government�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:black">�portals in sub-Saharan Africa. With this launch, Kenya will become a leader among developing countries in the adoption of�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">open</span><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:#1F497D">�-�</span><span style="color:black">a movement that is gathering momentum globally. ��</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><b><span style="color:black">�</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:14.25pt;background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><b><span style="color:black">What is�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">open</span><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:black">?</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:black">Public information and searchable information are two different things. Much public�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:black">�is already available by law but it's often not usable because it is in a format that is not easy to find, use and re-use. Published PDF files do not constitute "</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">open</span><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:black">" and are not helpful to large-scale users.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:black">To be�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">open</span><span style="color:black">,�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><span style="color:black">�must be:</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt;line-height:19.2pt;background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black">�</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">� </span><span style="color:black">easily found through search engines (meta-tagged)</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt;line-height:19.2pt;background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black">�</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">� </span><span style="color:black">available in machine readable formats (CSV, XML, APIs not PDF)</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt;line-height:19.2pt;background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black">�</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">� </span><span style="color:black">accessible by third party tools/applications (interoperable)</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt;line-height:19.2pt;background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black">�</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black">� </span><span style="color:black">allow others to use and re-use for non-commercial and commercial use (e.g Creative Commons Licences)</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#F2EEE6;vertical-align:top"><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">Open</span><span style="color:black">�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">Data</span><span style="color:black">�not only increases transparency and accountability�but also�promotes greater efficiency and effectiveness in the delivery of public services by allowing users to easily consume and interpret�</span><span style="color:#222222;background:#FFFF88">data</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is therefore to invite you to�the launch. You can register at the door on your arrival.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">�</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Kukubo<br>

Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board<br>PO Box 27150 - 00100<br>Nairobi, Kenya<br><br>12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street<br><br>Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 <br>Fax: +254 20 2211962<br>website: <a href="http://www.ict.go.ke" target="_blank">www.ict.go.ke</a><br>

local content project: <a href="http://www.tandaa.co.ke" target="_blank">www.tandaa.co.ke</a>, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/tandaakenya" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/tandaakenya</a><br>twitter:@tandaaKENYA<br>BPO Project: www. <a href="http://doitinkenya.co.ke" target="_blank">doitinkenya.co.ke</a><br>

Digital Villages Project: <a href="http://www.pasha.co.ke" target="_blank">www.pasha.co.ke</a><br><br><br>personal contacts<br>_______________<br><br>Cell: + 254 717 180001<br><br><br>skype: kukubopaul<br>googletalk: pkukubo<br>

personal blog: <a href="http://www.paulkukubo.co.ke" target="_blank">www.paulkukubo.co.ke</a><br>personal twitter: @pkukubo<br><br><br>____________________<br>Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub<br><br>Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment </span><u></u><u></u></p>

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