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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kin’gori,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for simplifying it for me. I might have missed part of this discussion at some point, but my question then becomes, was CCK well informed when they made the decision? i.e did they seek advice from the relevant ministries on the possible impact on the economy this aggressive price reductions will have? Did all the Telcos participate in the discussions and all agreed on some model(s) to be used for the price reductions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Edwin</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>King'ori Gicohi<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2011 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> Edwin<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] State House moves in to quell mobile price wars<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>we are talking about 2 types of termination rates (a) national and (b) international, both which affect end-user tariffs.<br><br>my humble view is that cck as a responsible organ of government must be responsive to the effect its regulations have on the economy, such as stability and long-term sustainability. i cannot think of any reasonable person who stands to gain from the consequences of collapse of the telecom sector.<br><br>neither is it right for cck to remain fixated on driving termination rates to the floor because for me mtr is neither the sole determinant of end-user rates, nor the lone beacon for the state of industry competition.<br><br>i support the pragmatic government direction that aims at restoring sanity in this sector.<br><br>my two cents worth<br><br>On 9 June 2011 23:01, Edwin Onchari <<a href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi all,<br><br>In the interest of those of us that might not be privy to the principles of<br>the "underlying economic policy" that would dictate such intervention and to<br>avoid uninformed conclusions, what are the tenets of it (in simple<br>English).....also in the spirit of responsible journalism, was this<br>appropriately referenced/sited in the article?<br><br>Edwin<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Beonchari">kictanet-bounces+eonchari</a>=<a href="http://lynxbits.com" target="_blank">lynxbits.com</a>@<a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>Behalf Of <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:13 PM<br>To: Edwin<br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] State House moves in to quell mobile price wars<br><br>Stephen,<br>Even if termination rates goes to Zero, international call rates out of<br>Kenya remains high.<br><br>It is important to know that this was not a knee jerk reaction as many may<br>think. The debate has been in public domain and indeed there were similar<br>initiatives that were not challenged. I think we applying double standards<br>in this matter. I will therefore not comment on this issue any further.<br><br><br>Regards.<br><br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br>Sent from my BlackBerryR<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: "Stephen Mutoro" <<a href="mailto:stephen@cofek.co.ke">stephen@cofek.co.ke</a>><br>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 16:34:03<br>To: <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>><br>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:stephen@cofek.co.ke">stephen@cofek.co.ke</a><br>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] State House moves in to quell mobile price wars<br><br>Thanks Dktr. My personal respect for you and your views notwithstanding, I<br>beg to differ not necessarily on the suitability of the decision but the<br>approach/process. Nothing wrong for interested parties to intervene within<br>contexts. But lets avoid setting bad and costly precedents - through our<br>obsession as Kenyans with shortcuts or quick fixes and selfish deals<br>whenever it suits us.<br><br>A brief story. I arrived in the country very early today. For the 5 days or<br>so I've been away in Dakar, Senegal, my roaming bill came to about 7K not<br>necessarily that I was making too many or long calls but the best I cld get<br>is Sh59 per min for receiving calls and Sh108 for calling per min.<br>Retrieving data/emails was even higher.<br><br>In short, the gains Kenyans have made on ICT and telcos sector (through you<br>and others) are too dear to be wished/eroded away. Cofek and I request to be<br>understood in this perspective. Lets accord CCK the "independence" and have<br>it as practically as possible stir away from partisan influences. Good<br>night!<br>Sent from my BlackBerryR<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 19:14:03<br>To: <<a href="mailto:stephen@cofek.co.ke">stephen@cofek.co.ke</a>><br>Cc: <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>Discussions<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] State House moves in to quell mobile price wars<br><br>Stephen,<br>I wish you first asked what transpired before you make such remarks. CCK<br>gets its policy direction from the Ministry of Information and<br>Communications. The policy emanates from the political manifesto of the<br>ruling party. In our current case, the harmonized manifesto. Here we<br>agreed to a free market economy. This means that any market interventions<br>must reflect the underlying economic policy.<br><br>When we had accellerated price decline in Uganda, Congo and other<br>countries, they resulted to a floor price, in other words price control.<br>Had we taken that direction, we shall have undermined the underlying<br>economic policy. Instead we temporarily suspended the glide path to study<br>the wider impact on the economy. The CCK board arrived at that solution.<br><br>In my view you are misunderstanding the independence rule. Central Banks<br>world over are independent but their decisions are based on the policy<br>direction of the country. Even if you were to head this country you will<br>find that it is your policies that would govern the country since the buck<br>stops with the leadership. It will make no sense if we have several<br>independent decision makers.<br><br>Different papers reported different stories but nobody has sought<br>clarification or offer a solution under the prevailing circumstances.<br><br><br>Regards<br><br><br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br><br><br>> Indeed a desperate move and one that has neither moral nor legal basis.<br>> What a mockery of a futile attempt of by-passing regulatory regime. It is<br>> CCK that will be the "loser" if it cowardly allows a clear abuse of<br>> Section 5(b) of Info and Comms Act. Cofek will be seeking clarification<br>> from concerned parties. We must never allow State House to conduct sector<br>> regulatory matters, whether pro or anti-consumer. 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The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br><br>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Thank you.<br>BR,<br><br>Eng. K. Gicohi<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>