<font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif">I feel that Open Systems is the role of the university really. If Safaricom is heavy on Cisco, it only makes sense to invest in that particular training. Safaricom train staff to operate *Safaricom's* network not other open systems etc. If Safaricom were to make the shift from proprietary systems to Open systems it would then make sense for them to train the graduates in ubiquitous systems... </font></font></font><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000066" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#000066"><font size="2"><font face="tahoma,sans-serif"></font></font></font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000066" face="tahoma, sans-serif">It may not be an agreeable choice but it makes business sense, whether it's sustainable in the longer term is another kettle of fish altogether.... <br>
</font><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi,</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Hi Walu but I feel you </font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">misinterpreted by post, the</font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> issue is not the implementation of the standards but more the method of teaching where you concentrate on vendor specific
implementations.</font></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
A student needs to be knowledgeable enough on the basics to be able to quickly get up to speed with different vendors equipment. If this is not done then we are short changing our students and the larger workplace, this vendor specific training is what is affecting our developers who get vendor specific training from day one.</div>
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What I am saying is that like with a college of accountancy that trains generic accounting we need to do the same with IT based training and in this instance routing
and its related applications. I await the day when an advertisement for recruitment of an accountant requires only proficiency in Quickbooks or SAP and not an CPA or ACCA certification.</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">
<br></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">A service provider in the current environment cannot afford to require specific vendor equipment for use by their clients as in my case an </font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">insistence</font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> on a Cisco router what if I prefer Juniper or D-Link does it then mean Safaricom will not be able to provide me with the service?</font></div>
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york',
times, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"></font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif">Regards</font></div><div class="im">
<div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><br></font><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3"> </font></div><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Robert Yawe</font><br>
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">KAY System Technologies Ltd</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Phoenix House, 6th Floor</font><br>
<font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200</font><br><font face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif" size="3">Kenya</font><br><br>
</div><div style="color:black;font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Tel: <a href="tel:%2B254722511225" value="+254722511225" target="_blank">+254722511225</a>, <a href="tel:%2B254202010696" value="+254202010696" target="_blank">+254202010696</a><div>
<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><div class="im"><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sat, 4 June, 2011 15:33:40<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Safaricom abhors open systems<br>
</div></div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">@ Okech, Yawe,<br><br>CISCO equipment supports BOTH open and closed/proprietary standards. Meaning a Cisco router can connect in a proprietary manner and/or open-standard manner (just enable the appropriate protocol). Same goes for Juniper routers and other leading vendors. <br>
<br>Nobody - even the diehard M$oft makes closed systems anymore because that locks you out of the market (self-destructive). I tend to think the problem is not Cisco. Problem could be that Safcom Engineers have not been briefed sufficiently ;-)<br>
<br>Finally, speaking from the teaching perspective...It is no longer just about teaching the principles. It is about teach BOTH principles and the application (read vendor-based-examples).<br><br>walu.<br><br>--- On <b>Fri, 6/3/11, Okech <i><<a href="mailto:okechjr@yahoo.com" target="_blank">okechjr@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>From: Okech <<a href="mailto:okechjr@yahoo.com" target="_blank">okechjr@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Safaricom abhors open systems<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 6:50 PM<br><br>
<div>Robert,<br>This a splendid advise both to parents, teachers, industrialist and students.<br>However, I tend to believe that the idea is not new. The question is why are people glued to vendor specific courses,<br>Cisco has conquered the world through a superb marketing strategy. To oust them thus requires a radical strategy that I leave for the listers to deliberate on<br>
<br>On Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 6:07 AM PDT robert yawe wrote:<br><br>>Hi Listers,<br>><br>>I have always said that it is wrong to train IT students on proprietary system <br>>as is happening with Cisco training that is being offered as a career path. <br>
> Switching and routing principles are based
on an open standard so students need <br>>to have an appreciation of the technology and not a brand.<br>><br>>I have been having an interesting exchange with Safaricom on setting up a <br>>connection to their SMSC where their engineers insist that the solution can only <br>
>be implemented using a Cisco router. <br>><br>>From this experience it is clear that most of the engineers at Safaricom have <br>>been trained on vendor specific and proprietary standards which has denied them <br>
>the flexibility to work with none Cisco equipment. <br>><br>>Safaricom has been a proponent of open systems by being open to various <br>>handsets, so it is shocking that as they move towards becoming a data service <br>
>provider they are opting to close their systems.<br>><br>>This attitude by Safaricom reminds me of Orange and their Livebox fiasco that <br>>totally killed their broadband service yet all they had to do was
allow any DSL <br>>compliant equipment to be used on their network and used the funds tied in <br>>equipment on advertising and any other activity. <br>><br>>I hope this is just a hiccup in their transition and that we shall see a more <br>
>open minded organisation as they move towards being a serious contender in the <br>>corporate data provision service.<br>><br>>For those of you with children or relatives basing their carriers <br>>on proprietary technologies please advice them to acquire generic education as <br>
>well otherwise they might find opportunities passing them by, its the principles <br>>that matter. <br>> Robert Yawe<br>>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
>Kenya<br>><br>><br>>Tel: <a href="tel:%2B254722511225" value="+254722511225" target="_blank">+254722511225</a>, <a href="tel:%2B254202010696" value="+254202010696" target="_blank">+254202010696</a><br><br><br>
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