@cbarmasai Well noted.<br><br>@agosta Who said churches do not marry HIV infected people? <br><br>Should churches be like bars or night clubs that intoxicate people into getting together without knowing each others HIV status?<br>
<br>Sorry, could not vote in favor of gay marriage. <a href="http://www.gaykenya.com/news/3851.html">http://www.gaykenya.com/news/3851.html</a><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Cleophas Barmasai <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbarmasai@gmail.com">cbarmasai@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>I don't think it is right to imagine that all money given to the Church end up in pockets of a few. I think most of the churches, or at least all mainstream��churches�have strict management of collections. Most of them ensure funds go to right use as Murigi as pointed out. Of course most of them have no TV airing and I guess that is why it is easy to�imagine the television preachers�are the main representatives of the Church in Kenya.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Agosta Liko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank">agostal@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid"><div><div></div><div class="h5">Murigi...<br><br>saying the church is good because it stops the spread of HIV ..... thats new.<br>
and if we look at the grand scheme of things, the church should not use sickness (HIV) to pick who gets hitched ... this is part of stigmatization of HIV patients<br>
<br>ps: Did you vote with the "church" during the referendum ?<br><br>Thanks
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM, S.Murigi Muraya <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com" target="_blank">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">Think HIV is more of a danger to us than churches in Kenya are. Serious churches (and very many do) require HIV tests before marrying people.<br>
<br>This started in the 90's when Church Leaders found their members were getting together with others who did not disclose they were HIV infected. In less corrupt churches, HIV Tests became one of the conditions to be fulfilled before performing wedding ceremonies.<br>
<br>So it is hard to see how an institution that helps check the spread of HIV can be a danger to Kenyan society.<br><br>It is easier to hound Sheep instead of Political Wolves who steal Billions from the Kenyan public to finance their election campaigns and to support their close associates/mistresses.<br>
<br>Am sure most Churches would cooperate with the Central and County Govts in building databases that would help check a major cause of turmoil in Kenya.<br><br>Am not aware of any law that requires Kenyans to disclose their HIV status but it would help if we knew whether we are being conned or not.<br>
<br><a href="http://huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/china-marriage-database-p_n_804686.html" target="_blank">huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/china-marriage-database-p_n_804686.html</a><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] UCC attempts to block social networks<br><br>Daktari<br><br>I agree about the preachers.... Can your Ministry or in this case CCK do something ?<br><br>Or Cofek .... Kenyans need protection from these churches more than from telcos<br>
<br>Thanks<br><br>Sent from my iPhone 5 Trial Device<br><br>On Apr 27, 2011, at 8:55 AM, <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a> wrote:<br><br>> You sound like a pessimist. This administration has created more freedom<br>
> reforms than the entire East Africa combined including the past two<br>> administrations in Kenya. �And if it realy wanted to curtail such freedom,<br>> the New Costitution would not have passed.<br>><br>> We are aware that Kenyans are using social media to propagate hate<br>
> messages. �This is a moral issue and I know the basis of it. �Here is the<br>> summary:<br>><br>> Over the Easter, I decided to record and listen to all the sermons from at<br>> least five TV stations. �My conclusion. �We are a drift (lost in the<br>
> wilderness). �some of the preachers should not preach to human beings.<br>> Here you find extortionists, liers and peddlers of deception. �Our<br>> theology is misplaced from what it is supposed to be. �They promise a<br>
> heaven yet we know we are supposed to make heaven here on earth.<br>><br>> We need a religious regulator in Kenya and demand for some reforms in this<br>> sector. �We know Jesus went through Biblical Studies before he started to<br>
> preach but what I saw was unqualified individuals pretending to preach.<br>> In the 16th century Europe, they were in our current state of deception,<br>> corruption, begging etc. �It was the Protestant Ethic that shaped their<br>
> destiny and led to the current idiologies in the West. �Read the work of<br>> Martin Luther, John Calvin and the Puritans of England. �This is what<br>> shaped the future of Europe.<br>><br>> We must now embrace the values in our new constitution and hopefully<br>
> reform our religions to the extent that they can lead a moral revolution.<br>> Without this, no one individual can govern this country effectively. �We<br>> must blame ourselves for the weaknesses we have. �Honesty, intergrity,<br>
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