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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks McTim for sharing this article.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I like the concept of 2<sup>nd</sup> generation cybercafé and telecentre…that was my point! I often drive around for hours looking for cybers and when you find them they don’t have the latest packages and not all services (with very poor technical support/backup). Not sure the ones mentioned in the slums are any better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think if we move to providing vital government services and other add-on services the demand and level of sophistication is likely to increase…but the question is when will these eGov services go live?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Edith<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eadera=idrc.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>McTim<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 04, 2011 11:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Edith Adera<br><b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] The Death of Cybercafes?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>FYI, a related story:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-544/top-story/nice-pioneers-second/en?">http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-544/top-story/nice-pioneers-second/en?</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Francis Hook <<a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com">francis.hook@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Daktari.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I also see their role in extended government infrastructure and services if operators of such places can be vetted and licenced to avail various online services (log book application, birth certificates, land and MV searches, etc etc - you can include revenue collection if there is a revenue sharing model with government - I personally hate the long lines at KRA - if I can go to an accredited outlet in my vicinity to to all that, I will.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4 March 2011 08:35, <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Robert,<br>You are right. Cyber Cafes may die in Nairobi CBD area but in low income<br>neighbourhoods and rural centers they are still relevant. Go to Korogocho<br>and see what Altawon is doing. At Mukuru Kwa Njenga the Cyber Cafe there<br>provides more than what we traditionally knew cyber cafes for. If our<br>definition of Cyber Cafe is the same, then some digital villages in<br>Kangundo, Malindi, Kioge, Tsiekuru etc are basically Cyber Cafes.<br><br>The value proposition for such centers is increasingly becoming viable<br>with such new concepts as impact outsourcing (those who may be interested<br>to see model impact outsourcing centers can check with me next month). A<br>bit of field visit would enhance our discussion in this list.<br><br><br>Regards<br><br><br>Ndemo.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>> Hi,<br>><br>> I disagree with your assertion that cybercafes are closing down if<br>> anything they<br>> are mushrooming and in more seats that before, in the building where our<br>> offices<br>> are we used to have a single cyber on the 2nd floor in the past 12 months<br>> 2 have<br>> opened on the ground floor replacing a bookshop and a pharmacy each with<br>> over 30<br>> stations.<br>><br>> The availability of mobile on the phone is actually a plus for the cyber<br>> business as it creates a more aware market who end up spending more time<br>> and<br>> money as they need to download staff, print, cd burn etc.<br>><br>> Unless you have an iPad the experience of browsing on your phone is still<br>> not as<br>> good as on a large 17" screen.<br>><br>> Finally, many of thus opening cybers today have a better understanding of<br>> the<br>> business than the me too crowd that used to run them before. Any cyber<br>> cafe<br>> that does not charge automatically for printing is doomed to close soon.<br>><br>> As more knowledgeable investors come into the cyber cafe business expect<br>> to see<br>> more of them coming up and with the right tools for monitoring and<br>> generating<br>> revenue such as protocol based billing. I visited a cyber in Rongai where<br>> billing was bandwidth based as they where using a Safaricom 3G connection.<br>><br>> Regards<br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>> Kenya<br>><br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Edith Adera <<a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Sent: Wed, 2 March, 2011 19:12:16<br>> Subject: [kictanet] The Death of Cybercafes?<br>><br>><br>> Listers<br>><br>> Just back from Ghana where I was impressed to see that cybercafes are<br>> still<br>> alive (e.g. BusyInternet)...as my experience in Kenya is that it's hard to<br>> find<br>> a functional cybercafe within easy reach with cutting edge services and<br>> programs (PDF etc)....most are closing down with Internet available on the<br>> mobile (with aggressive competition). So outside the office set-up and<br>> with<br>> minimal home connections...one has almost no options for innovation.<br>><br>> Is it a good thing that cybers are dying in Kenya and broadband is yet to<br>> reach homes? what needs to be done differently to inform our efforts on<br>> digital<br>> villages etc?<br>><br>> Edith<br>><br>> ________________<br>> Edith Ofwona Adera<br>> Senior Program Specialist<br>> ICT4D Program and Climate Change & Water Program<br>> International Development Research Centre | Centre de recherches pour le<br>> développement international<br>> Regional Office for Eastern and Southern Africa<br>> Tel: +254202713160 | Fax/Téléc: +254202711063 | Skype: edithadera<br>> <a href="mailto:eadera@idrc.or.ke" target="_blank">eadera@idrc.or.ke</a> | <a href="http://www.idrc.ca" target="_blank">www.idrc.ca</a>| <a href="http://www.crdi.ca" target="_blank">www.crdi.ca</a><br>><br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------<br>> This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is<br>> believed to be clean.<br>> ---------------------------------------------<br>> "easy access to the world"<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> kictanet mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>><br>> This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a><br>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke</a><br>><br><br><br><br>----------------------------------------------<br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<br>dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is<br>believed to be clean.<br>---------------------------------------------<br>"easy access to the world"<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:francis.hook@gmail.com" target="_blank">francis.hook@gmail.com</a><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/francis.hook%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Francis Hook<br><a href="tel:%2B254%20733%20504561" target="_blank">+254 733 504561</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>This message was sent to: <a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dogwallah%40gmail.com" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dogwallah%40gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>