I think I'd find it more productive if we could stear clear of personal insults, or anything moving in that direction. <br><br>Happy day, <br>Andrea <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 February 2011 10:39, robert yawe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman','new york',times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
<div></div><div>Liko,</div><div><br></div><div>I ran an ICT incubator for over 3 years and graduated a number of a organisations and of which developed the system run by Kenya Law Review. The other was one of the 1st locally developed systems for the stock brokerage system.</div>
<div><br></div><div><span>I currently mentor more than 5 micro and small businesses in various sectors, apart from that I have been providing financial literacy training for over 5 years <a href="http://www.quadrantshift.co.ke" target="_blank">www.quadrantshift.co.ke</a>.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>So Bwana Liko, I am not all hot air as you might think which is why I have the moral right to raise the issues I raised.</div><div><br></div><div>Back to you, what have you done to develop young developers or
any other business entity?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>PS. I do not live in a glass house therefore I can afford to throw stones.</div><div><br> </div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">
<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Agosta Liko <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, 8 February, 2011 16:04:41<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[kictanet] ICT incubator - Expressions of interest<br></font><br>Bwana Robert.<br><br>I was at AITEC, had a powerpoint failure and had to speak last....<br><br>I don't know how my speaking or lack therof affects incubation in Kenya.<br>
<br>As I have always said to you on this forum, before you ask about what<br>someone else can do, should do, can do differently ..... Do something<br><br>Thanks<br><br>On 2/8/11, robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> We need to get serious about certain issues like wanting to keep things<br>> small<br>> and cute, WiPro runs a graduate academy that hosts over 18,000 people a year<br>> and<br>> only employ 1,200. This is the level of engagement we need to aspire for<br>
> not<br>> tiny little over funded projects.<br>><br>> It is foolhardy to say that the iHub should be feed and blotted
rather than<br>> expanded to serve and reach more. It would be like Henry Ford deciding to<br>> make<br>> a single Ford Model T or Bill Gates developing DOS and using it alone in<br>> their<br>> garage.<br>
><br>> If you have some time search on google about scaling and franchising as it<br>> might<br>> help you appreciate the benefit of getting out of your box and comfort zone<br>> and<br>> look at how you can have an effect on the larger population.<br>
><br>> I have said it again this it the thinking of Maria Antoinette, I do not want<br>> to<br>> be beheaded for refusing to get out of the box.<br>><br>> The iHub is a prototype keeping it under wraps is a disservice to the<br>
> Nation.<br>><br>> From Liko's comments I know understand why he offered to give a presentation<br>> at<br>> AITEC in Nairobi in 2010 and the he did not show leaving many of us<br>> disappointed,
worst of all you did not have the courtesy to notify the<br>> organisers.<br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>> Kenya<br>
><br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Agosta Liko <<a href="mailto:agostal@gmail.com" target="_blank">agostal@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Sent: Mon, 7 February, 2011 22:55:10<br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT incubator - Expressions of interest<br>><br>> I think the ihub is way ahead on this one and it should
be supported ...<br>> instead<br>> of copied ...<br>><br>> a y combinator like model would work very well. It would take care of issues<br>> like busfare, living expenses etc etc<br>><br>><br>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:50 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> a related news item:<br>>><br>>><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/1724774/afrilabs-links-startup-incubators-tech-communities-in-africa" target="_blank">http://www.fastcompany.com/1724774/afrilabs-links-startup-incubators-tech-communities-in-africa</a><br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>>--<br>>>Cheers,<br>>><br>>>McTim<br>>>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>>>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>><br>>><br>>>On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:18 PM, John
Kieti <<a href="mailto:jkieti@gmail.com" target="_blank">jkieti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>> Chris,<br>>>> That sounds like a useful forum for Listers interested in the economic<br>>>> future of ICT in the region. I like the thought of initiatives coherently<br>
>>> fitting together, as it should be more of collaboration than competition<br>>>> (not that competition I bad for raising standards).<br>>>> Thanks<br>>>><br>>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Chris Foster <<a href="mailto:cgfoster@gmail.com" target="_blank">cgfoster@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Thanks for this, it's an interesting discussion. How do all these<br>>>>> different incubators, labs, entrepreneurship schemes and open spaces<br>>>>> that<br>
>>>> are emerging in Kenya fit together
coherently....<br>>>>><br>>>>> On this subject, I thought I'd point out the launch of the<br>>>>> Infodev/DFID/Hivos report on the ICT SME Sector taking place in Nairobi<br>>>>> next<br>
>>>> week (18th Feb).<br>>>>><br>>>>> From my brief reading, this report is very much setting out the future<br>>>>> agenda for these donors on small ICT business development, so it might<br>
>>>> be of<br>>>>> interest, and perhaps an appropriate platform to raise these issues for<br>>>>> debate?<br>>>>><br>>>>> <a href="http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.673.html" target="_blank">http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.673.html</a> (outline is included below)<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Thanks<br>>>>> Chris<br>>>>><br>>>>> --<br>>>>> Christopher
Foster<br>>>>> PhD Researcher, Centre for Development Informatics (CDI)<br>>>>> University of Manchester, UK<br>>>>> Skype: cgfoster<br>>>>><br>>>>> =======<br>
>>>> ICT in East Africa - Report Launch<br>>>>> East Africa ICT SME Report Launch at World Bank, Nairobi<br>>>>> =======<br>>>>> Small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) are poised to play a<br>
>>>> significant<br>>>>> role in the next phase of ICT industry growth in East Africa. To assess<br>>>>> the<br>>>>> market and identify opportunities infoDev, UKaid and Hivos conducted a<br>
>>>> detailed on-the-ground study of the ICT SME landscape in East Africa.<br>>>>> This<br>>>>> study performed by the Excelsior Firm, engaged over 100 policy makers,<br>>>>> investors, academics, donors and
entrepreneurs.<br>>>>> report Launch<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Sign up to attend in person, or online, at <a href="http://eastafricaict.eventbrite.com" target="_blank">eastafricaict.eventbrite.com</a><br>
>>>><br>>>>> Please join us on February 18th for the launch of our report on the East<br>>>>> African ICT Sector: Transforming the East African ICT Sector by Creating<br>>>>> a<br>
>>>> Business Engine for SMEs. This event will be held at the World Bank<br>>>>> Offices<br>>>>> in Upper Hill Nairobi on 18 February from 10:00am to 12:00pm. We will be<br>>>>> presenting the report and hosting a question and answer session with the<br>
>>>> project team and donor communities.<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Background<br>>>>><br>>>>> The information and communications technology (ICT) sector has been
the<br>>>>> major driver of economic growth in East Africa over the last decade<br>>>>> growing<br>>>>> on average by as much as 40%. To date, growth has largely come from<br>>>>> world-class innovation by large multinational and local enterprises.<br>
>>>> Small<br>>>>> and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs) are poised to play a bigger role in<br>>>>> the<br>>>>> next phase of industry growth. However, they must overcome a multitude<br>
>>>> of<br>>>>> system-wide challenges in order for them to succeed in the marketplace.<br>>>>><br>>>>> To understand the interventions required, a consortium comprised of<br>
>>>> members from infoDev, UKaid and Hivos conducted a detailed on-the-ground<br>>>>> study of the ICT SME landscape in East Africa. This study performed by<br>>>>>
the<br>>>>> Excelsior Firm, a US and Africa based advisory firm, engaged over 100<br>>>>> policy<br>>>>> makers, investors, academics, donors and entrepreneurs.<br>>>>><br>
>>>> The findings suggest that the vision of a robust and dynamic ICT sector<br>>>>> driven by SMEs that create jobs and world-class innovation is possible,<br>>>>> and<br>>>>> the likelihood of this outcome can be improved with a few targeted<br>
>>>> interventions. The five proposed interventions consist of the<br>>>>> development of<br>>>>> a fully connected SME network, filling the skills gap in advanced<br>>>>> business<br>
>>>> and technical knowledge, providing start up and early stage funding for<br>>>>> companies, enabling job creation for knowledge workers and upgrading the<br>>>>> business
environment. Together these interventions form the components<br>>>>> of a<br>>>>> potential East African ICT Business Engine that could boost performance,<br>>>>> not<br>>>>> only within the ICT sector, as well as continue to expand the economic<br>
>>>> development of the region.<br>>>>><br>>>>> We would like to sincerely thank the over 100 entrepreneurs, ICT<br>>>>> professionals, academics and experts who participated in interviews,<br>
>>>> workshops and numerous discussions over the past 3 months. We appreciate<br>>>>> their dedication to the advancement of the ICT sector in East Africa and<br>>>>> their invaluable contributions to this report.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Full Report<br>>>>><br>>>>> Transforming the East African ICT Sector by Creating a Business
Engine<br>>>>> for<br>>>>> SMEs<br>>>>><br>>>>> Executive Summary<br>>>>><br>>>>> Transforming the East African ICT Sector by Creating a Business Engine<br>
>>>> for<br>>>>> SMEs - Exec Summary<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On 07/02/11 17:18, McTim wrote:<br>>>>><br>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM, John Kieti <<a href="mailto:jkieti@gmail.com" target="_blank">jkieti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> Thanks McTim for good insights<br>>>>> I still think it is too early to conclude though. Consider the following<br>
>>>> :-<br>>>>><br>>>>> Strathmore - am not sure they have had time to graduate any incubatee as<br>>>>>
yet<br>>>>> (any updates?)<br>>>>> NaiLab has not taken off as yet. Their space (on the 4th floor of Bishop<br>>>>> Magua house?) is still an empty hall.<br>>>>> mLab (infoDev, iHub, UoN, Web Foundation, eMobilis) is still at infancy.<br>
>>>> Currently building out on the empty space on the 3rd flr of Bishop Magua<br>>>>> House.<br>>>>> <a href="http://ictpark.com" target="_blank">ictpark.com</a> (Any updates on some graduates will help)<br>
>>>> KIRDI - (Any updates on some graduates will help)<br>>>>><br>>>>> Perhaps you mean that the above and other incubation programs are<br>>>>> founded<br>>>>> on<br>
>>>> wrong premises.<br>>>>><br>>>>> no, I just mean that we seem to have several, so questioning the need<br>>>>> for more at this
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