<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Dear All,</div><div>I support the merger of section 7 and 10 . They lead to the same thing.</div><div>On tenure of office, the council members term should be limited to two. The chairmanship can also be limited to 2 especially if the council will be mandated to elect it's chair because they can vote him/ her out after the first term and it will provide good continuity since they will still be members of the council. </div><div>The council should vote by secret ballot.</div><div>Good weekend</div><div>Racheal</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 28, 2011, at 4:33 PM, ERICK ngaira <<a href="mailto:erickngaira@gmail.com">erickngaira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Dear All,<br><br>I agree Section 7 and 10 are more or less a duplication, and should be merged for clarity.<br><br>In regard to tenure of members , It should only be for a mximun of two
terms and a new chair should be elected every term.<br>
<br>Election should be by secret ballot by the Council Members.<br><br>Regards.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2011 16:00, Solomon Mburu Kamau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:solo.mburu@gmail.com">solo.mburu@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Listers,<br>
<br>
There is a duplicate between Article 7 & Article 10 of the Bill.<br>
Article 7, provides for the qualification of Chair and other Members<br>
of the Council, while Article 10, in a way, provides for the<br>
requirements for appointment to the commission.<br>
They, as Toby has said, should perhaps be merged.<br>
<br>
On the question off tenure of the office of Council members, my<br>
opinion is they should only be allowed a re-appointment for one morer<br>
term to avoid domination and 'over-stays'.<br>
Further, the Bill does not provide for the procedures of the election<br>
of members apart from the chair. Will they be appointed by the JSC,<br>
CJ, KUJ etc? Will the election by proxy, acclamation or secret ballot?<br>
I think in line with democratic principles, they should be elected<br>
from among the membership sitting at the Council, like what LSK does.<br>
<br>
To another view, the government reserved a third of positions in<br>
public bodies to women. Therefore, does this mean out of the seven<br>
members appointed (Article 6), three should be women? If so, just<br>
wondering, will the other interested groups - the disabled,<br>
marginalized, youth etc - be considered?<br>
<br>
Nice weekend.<br>
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On 28/01/2011, <a href="mailto:toby@law-democracy.org"><a href="mailto:toby@law-democracy.org">toby@law-democracy.org</a></a> <<a href="mailto:toby@law-democracy.org"><a href="mailto:toby@law-democracy.org">toby@law-democracy.org</a></a>> wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I hope you will not mind if I make a few comments on yesterday's<br>
> discussion before moving on to the topic of today. Sorry to be late again,<br>
> but I'm sort of in transit (actually, I spent 12 hours in plane yesterday,<br>
> only to return to my starting point because we could not land at the<br>
> destination!).<br>
><br>
> The Bill does provide for the appointment of the Chair (section 8(6 or<br>
> really (7)), but I agree that it would be preferable for the group to<br>
> appoint its own Chair and this is a common practice.<br>
><br>
> A few comments on the debate about independence, on the one hand, and the<br>
> role of the judiciary, on the other. I am very sensitive to Lydia's point<br>
> about capture of these bodies by government and of course the Rwandan<br>
> Council is a disaster on this point. But to be honest, that was one area<br>
> where I felt this draft Bill was pretty good. Of course its independence<br>
> rests heavily on the independence of the judicial bodies and individuals<br>
> involved, but otherwise, it does have reasonably robust systems, including<br>
> the ability of anyone, or any group, to nominate and then the shortlisting<br>
> by the appointing Committee (although I would remove the representatives<br>
> from the Ministry of Justice and State Law Office from this Committee and<br>
> replace them with more independent people, probably not from the media,<br>
> since the other three members are already media representatives). So I see<br>
> the approach as a bit of a trade-off: perhaps excessive role for the<br>
> judiciary v. relatively strong guarantees of independence. I note that the<br>
> role of the JSC is simply to establish the appointing Committee. I'm not<br>
> sure which other body could be trusted with this.<br>
><br>
> So, my tweaks would be to change the composition of the appointing<br>
> Committee (which is the most important decision-maker in this process),<br>
> allow the body to elect its own chair and remove the requirement for the<br>
> chair to be eligible for appointment as a High Court judge.<br>
><br>
> On today's questions:<br>
><br>
> 1) Grace is right to point out the duplication and to some extent<br>
> contradiction between sections 7 and 10. Probably they should be<br>
> integrated.<br>
><br>
> 2) I have already commented on the Chair. I don't see a particular problem<br>
> with the Chair being reappointed, but there should at least be another<br>
> election.<br>
><br>
> Best, Toby<br>
><br>
><br>
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