<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Fine, so long as it is local loop from your office to your collocation centre where you will be providing SaaS solutions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<br> </div>Robert Yawe<br>KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>Kenya<br><br><div>Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Agosta Liko <agostal@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Cc:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 24 September, 2010 9:50:23<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br></font><br>Robert<br><br>Si you start an ISP ? ... with 1:1 @ USD50 per MB ... I will be a customer<br><br>Just thinking<br><br>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:44 AM, robert yawe <<a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> Hi,<br>> When we talk about 1 MB for $500/- I believe we are referring to a dedicated<br>> connection with a contention ratio of 1:1 not shared provided by the ISPs of<br>> 1:∞. So the ISP buys the 1 MB at $500/- dollars and sells it to 20<br>> subscribers at $50/- a culture they developed during the good old days of<br>> satellite.<br>> In addition the
1 MB is not from your equipment to the ISP but should be the<br>> entire route into the Internet. Exploited we still are and as has been said<br>> by many the prices have still not come down sufficiently.<br>><br>> Robert Yawe<br>> KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>> Kenya<br>><br>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe <<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk" href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 17:21:40<br>> Subject: Re:
[kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>><br>> I'm sorry to sound like a broken record but I don't know any ISP in Kenya<br>> selling 1Mb for >$500 - and anybody who is being extorted like this should<br>> go to a reputable ISP and get their service for tens of dollars, not<br>> hundreds....<br>><br>> Brian<br>><br>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> “naomba serikali” or not…government policies ultimately affect demand and<br>>> supply laws in any market. While the call here is not to go the Finish way<br>>> of making it a right for all citizens to have access to 1Mb of broadband by<br>>> 2015, or UK’s 2Mb, GOK can move to create an environment that will encourage<br>>> our good ISPs lower the current rates, currently >$500-
remember, the<br>>> potential bulk users in Kenya earn <$1/day!<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Edwin<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a pocket<br>>> full of holes.<br>>> DAVID TOOMA<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> From: Brian Munyao Longwe [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com">blongwe@gmail.com</a>]<br>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 4:20 PM<br>>> To: Edwin Onchari<br>>><br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Hi all,<br>>><br>>> Is this another case of "naomba serikali inisaidie" - which is to typical<br>>> of us Kenyans....<br>>><br>>> It is my firm belief that we have a free and open market for internet<br>>>
services in Kenya - with little or no barriers to entry for any player.<br>>> Could it just be that the rules of supply and demand are applying and<br>>> thereby preventing the "drastic" drops in pricing that it seems many of use<br>>> are dreaming about?<br>>><br>>> I think Walu is asking the right kinds of questions - how do we adjust the<br>>> supply/demand equation to bring about the desired results?<br>>><br>>> In my honest opinion government has been doing a good job of staying out<br>>> of business - let's keep it that way.<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>><br>>> Brian<br>>><br>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>><br>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Better yet, GOK should slice up its 40% stake and sell to smaller<br>>>
businesses that are willing to play ball, so that Kenyans are not at the<br>>> mercy of a handful ISPs that cannot get their act together<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Edwin<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Sales without Customer Service........is like stuffing money into a pocket<br>>> full of holes.<br>>> DAVID TOOMA<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> From: kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a ymailto="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> [mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=<a ymailto="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On<br>>> Behalf Of Harry Hare<br>>> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:35 PM<br>>> To: Edwin<br>>><br>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy
Discussions<br>>><br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Hello All,<br>>><br>>> Who in this forum thought it possible to enjoy the new calling rates which<br>>> are 50% of what we used to pay? My point, we need a disruptive force that<br>>> will force the ISPs to lower their rates. The Government still hold 40% of<br>>> TEAMS, and I remember the PS once saying that he will use this if the<br>>> operators fail to drop their costs. Probably this is the time...this,<br>>> together with NOFBI, the ministry has capacity to roll out a project like -<br>>> “free internet for all”, another first from Kenya.<br>>><br>>> Think about it.<br>>><br>>> Harry<br>>><br>>> On 9/23/10 2:14 PM, "Walubengo J" <<a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>> Yes WHOLESALE prices are down by 80% but RETAIL prices remain relatively<br>>> high. Are the ISP/Telco eating up the difference by way of SUPER-PROFITS?<br>>><br>>> Not sure. There are multiple and intermediary variables that play between<br>>> the Wholesale Level and the Retail Level that includes, but not limited to<br>>> Cost of Local loops, Usage/Volume Levels, Local Content, Regulatory&<br>>> Competition Environments, Charging Models, etc.<br>>><br>>> The challenge is to get a way in which to measure and establish which of<br>>> the above variables will have the biggest, positive and sustainable impact<br>>> on Retail Internet pricing. Worse still, a "wrong" distortion of any of the<br>>> above maybe counterproductive to the others in the long run. It requires a<br>>> delicate balance of the whole
ecosystem.<br>>><br>>> But perhaps I could be wrong..<br>>><br>>><br>>> walu.<br>>><br>>> --- On Thu, 9/23/10, McTim <<a ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> From: McTim <<a ymailto="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>>> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>>> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:28 PM<br>>><br>>> Hi,<br>>><br>>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Edwin Onchari <<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com"
href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a><br>>> </mc/compose?to=<a ymailto="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com" href="mailto:eonchari@lynxbits.com">eonchari@lynxbits.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>> > Yes Dennis,<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Take the case of the US for instance. 1 Mb (dedicated) is going for less<br>>> > than $50…<br>>><br>>> Wholesale cost there is ~$2.50 for 1 Mb/sec<br>>><br>>> >in Kenya, it’s anything between $500-$800.<br>>><br>>> Wholesale price in Kenya? Around 50 USD per Mb/sec (in Mombasa) is<br>>> what I heard recently from an industry player. That is probably for a<br>>> volume purchase of course.<br>>><br>>> African eDevelopment Resource Centre<br>>> eDevelopment House : : 604 Limuru Road<br>>> Old Muthaiga : : P O Box 49475
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