<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Nice ideas - by the way - dont shout too much, I know a couple of chaps who are doing this "under the hood" ;-)<br><br>And so maybe the question would be to what extent has the Regulatory environment failed to address this segment of business that perhaprs can have a +ve impact on the Internet retail prices? <br><br>I know they unbundled the last-mile during the fixed-telcom days, probably it is about time they also unbundled the "last-mile" for the mobile operators? that would be quite an interesting proposition - but it can get most of your ideas running over rather than under the hood.. <br><br>walu.<br> <br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, Edwin Onchari <i><eonchari@lynxbits.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Edwin Onchari
<eonchari@lynxbits.com><br>Subject: RE: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?<br>To: "'Walubengo J'" <jwalu@yahoo.com><br>Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 4:08 PM<br><br><div id="yiv2081110420">
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<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">With the ISPs supply chain (support, reselling, etc) “outsourced”
to independent providers, prices will come down and yes, content will come.
Picture this:</span></p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Their overheads in getting connectivity to homes (some quite “remote”)
will be diminished as entrepreneurs such as myself will be willing to offer
last mile services by offering connections to the flats/apts where I stay and
buy bandwidth from the cheapest provider and resell – competition then
sets in. I have to be the most affordable in my estate/village</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I could offer virtual apartment searches at a minimal cost (this
is an underground industry by itself as we speak-apartment viewing costs 1K a
day)</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I could offer bespoke, hosted SaaS, etc, at affordable
rates (people can now afford to be online all the time)</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I could supplement my income teaching class 8’s, form 4’s,
college students in Math, Science, etc. Schools can enhance their distance
learning offerings</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">TV stations can have their shows online ( I hate commercials and
programs that least interest me), with millions ready to watch these at
affordable rates…enormous advertising revenue for them.</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can make extra income by becoming a customer service agent of
company X that can ill afford to hire me full time. Giving the company’s
customers 24/7 support, cheaply.</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Order a consignment of bananas from Kisii, or Tilapia from
Migingo (the seller there is able to access a digital village and market
his/her produce, cyber rates will be less than 25 cents per minute of high
speed access)</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I can access government services at anytime of the day</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoListParagraph" style=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The list is endless</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In a nutshell, innovation will kick in, content will be
available and users will be in abundance.</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edwin</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Sales without Customer Service</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">........</span></i><i><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">is
like stuffing money into a pocket full of holes.</span></i><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><br>
</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">DAVID TOOMA</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"></span></p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";"> Walubengo J
[mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 2:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edwin Onchari<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?</span></p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal">@ Edwin,<br>
<br>
By saying ISPs/Telcos to "Open Up their Supply Chain" do you mean
"Force down the Retail Cost in order to stimulate demand?" - Hoping
to recoup cost through larger volume sales?<br>
<br>
Again, the ASSUMPTION here is that lower costs will automatically stimulate
demand. Perhaps there's no demand because there's no local internet content
and as such dropping cost may not really increas demand. <br>
<br>
Put differently, 90% of the Kenyans who are currently NOT using the internet,
dont, simply because there's NOTHING in it for them (why would my Dad get
online? or that farmer in Kirinyaga? to do facebook, yahoo, youtube?(.. the
current hot content "locally" here)). <br>
<br>
In other words even giving them FREE internet will not get them online...but
it might get the Operators broke, forcing some of them to close shop and
eventually deny the few 10% of the current Kenyan Internet Users access to
the 'Net...far fetched but possible.<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, Edwin Onchari <i><eonchari@lynxbits.com></i></b>
wrote:</p>
<p class="yiv2081110420MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
From: Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com><br>
Subject: RE: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?<br>
To: "'Walubengo J'" <jwalu@yahoo.com><br>
Cc: "'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 2:16 PM</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Walu,</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The ISPs/Telcos are to blame for the
sheer lack of innovation on their part. The one asset that they have not
leveraged on is the abundant; under-utilized IT human resource and
entrepreneurial base inKenya. Open up their supply chain to include this
group(s) will see the last mile issue sorted = more users= shared costs on
the bandwidth procured by ISPs=lowered retail prices</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My take,</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edwin</span></p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "sans-serif";">
kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke
[mailto:kictanet-bounces+eonchari=lynxbits.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Walubengo J<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 23, 2010 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Edwin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo-but who is to blame?</span></p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Yawe,<br>
<br>
I think everyone (including ISPs) ASSUMED that the marine cable will
automatically crash the RETAIL internet prices. But ofcourse that
turned out to be false.<br>
<br>
At the same time, it DOES NOT mean the marine cable was a wasted
effort. It simply means the marine cable is NECESSARY but NOT
SUFFICIENT to bring down retail internet prices.<br>
<br>
I am not sure at this moment in time whom to blame for this. But I know its
not Dr. Ndemo nor the ISPs/Telcos. I am investigating this phenomena, and
perhaps, sometime future I could share the results...<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
@ Nnenna, your quotes from Senegal, Ivory Coast are juicy - but dig deeper
- since at face value, the mobile internet prices in .Ke look cheap, but in
long term reality(usage) they ARE NOT!<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 9/23/10, robert yawe <i><robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk></i></b>
wrote:</p>
<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><br>
From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk><br>
Subject: [kictanet] ISPs slap Ndemo<br>
To: jwalu@yahoo.com<br>
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><br>
Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 11:38 AM</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Hi,</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">The ISPs have now teamed up and agreed that
the cost of "International" Internet access will not be coming
down soon because we have less than 2.6% penetration.</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Dr. Ndemo, this is a slap on you, wield your
big stick, or sorry not possible you recently handed it over to Orange.</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">There is only one solution to this issue
lets concentrate in developing local content thereby reducing the
dependence on the over hyped marine cable. But based on the
discussions on the commodity exchange system this will be an up hill task
as we question the credibility of everyone he tries to setup a local online
application or service.</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"> </p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">I read an article on how Hon. Kilonzo is
planning to setup green houses in all the schools in his constituency while
the others are trying to provide computers to children who are not able to
get a balanced diet. </p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Again I repeat "I am ashamed to be a
member of the ICT fraternity" but like was once said by
a disgruntled KANU memebrr "I shall remain the opposition
within"</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal"> </p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Regards<br>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Robert Yawe<br>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
Kenya</p>
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<p class="yiv2081110420yiv869971759msonormal">Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696</p>
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